Words of Wellness with Shelly

Fertility, Loss, And Knowing Your Cycle

• Shelly Jefferis • Season 3 • Episode 154

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The path to pregnancy shouldn’t feel like decoding a secret language. We sit down with fertility awareness educator Emma Goff to make the science human, actionable, and calm. From the truth about the fertile window to how cervical mucus actually works, this conversation replaces calendar guessing with body literacy you can trust.

We dig into why so many people feel “irregular” when their cycles are simply varied within a normal range, and how stress, adolescence, postpartum shifts, or PCOS can delay ovulation without signaling permanent dysfunction. Emma explains how charting identifies ovulation and a steady luteal phase so you can anticipate your period and plan with less anxiety. For those navigating miscarriage, we talk through real options, compassionate care, and how cycles tend to return in the weeks afterward. You’ll hear clear timelines, what’s normal to expect, and how to track gently while your body and heart recover.

Practical, evidence-informed takeaways run throughout: when to request progesterone and thyroid testing, why mid-luteal labs matter for recurrent loss. We also unravel the limits of ovulation predictor kits and show how cervical mucus expands your fertile window, especially since sperm can survive up to five days in the right environment. Whether you’re trying to conceive, spacing pregnancies without hormones, or simply want to understand your body better, you’ll leave with confidence and a plan that respects both data and lived experience.

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Shelly

SPEAKER_00:

Um, and also as as somebody who's like trying to think or like starting to think about getting pregnant, um, that might be something to look into as well, like before you even are trying of like how is your body producing progesterone and estrogen and how is it doing it well? What else could you do to support your body overall? Um, just so that you're in the best health as as as you can be in that season of life.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you get confused by all of the information that bombards us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated, or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone, I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries, and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more. To share tips, education, and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker, and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journey so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness, and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life and that you will, we all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives full of energy, happiness, and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today. Hello, my friends, and welcome back to Words of Wellness. My guest today is a fertility awareness educator. And I just know we are going to learn a lot from her. Now, for my dads out there, this might be worth listening to, but now that I have announced what we're going to be talking about, I will not take it personal if you decide not to continue listening, but you might learn a couple things. Who knows, right? She also is the host of her own podcast called the Cyclical Doula Podcast. And so, Emma Goff, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. I'm really excited to have you. And this is a topic that I actually was just on Emma's podcast myself. And I I really have a special place in my heart talking about this topic since I experienced it myself. And I know a lot of moms out there have gone through similar experiences. So we're gonna probably share a little bit of our journeys, and Emma's gonna lead us in some probably some good advice and sound direction that we can take if we're going through it now. So I'm really looking forward to this conversation. Yeah, absolutely. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. And boy, you know, I went through my fertility ver uh um version like so long ago, right? It's been like I was sharing with you, it's been over 20 years ago. So a lot has changed, and I know you're quite a lot younger than I am, so you probably have some great updates to share with us along those lines. But really, how long have you been working in this field? Or should I ask, did you have an experience yourself that led you to to go into this area of expertise? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. So I think it's helpful to understand a little bit more about what I do primarily and then kind of add in what I what also I have added in with it. So my primary um mission right now with within women's wellness and and family wellness in general is to teach people how to track their cycles for family planning. So that means to look at their daily signs of fertility, which if you don't know in a woman's cycle, there's different times of the cycle where you can get pregnant and when you can't get pregnant just biologically. So, like that buildup to when ovulation takes place, you can get pregnant. And after ovulation takes place, you can't get pregnant for the rest of the cycle. And so I teach women how to like read and understand their bodies really well to um know when and they can and can't get pregnant in a cycle. And so for many people, that looks like really helpful information when they're trying to conceive, and for other people, that looks like really helpful information as an alternative to hormonal birth control. Um, and then with all of that, there's a bunch of stuff happens within reproductive life. So there's loss, there's struggles with infertility, there's times of postpartum and perimenopause. And so I walk with women and families through all of those situations as well. And so um, you had shared with me, Shelly, about your infertility journey a little bit. And I think that that's something that we had just talked about, how it's not talked about enough, um, that this is part of people's experiences. And it's just something that I went into knowing and or not knowing about what I do now, but just with this understanding of that I wanted to know my body better. I didn't understand how my body worked to the degree that I do now. And having this knowledge base really just helps me be more in tune with who I am as a human being, with who I am as a parent, and how I can also pass on this information and this education to my my children and other generations as well. So yeah, that's a little bit about like how I got into it for sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I love that because, like you're saying, and what we've we've shared is that it's it's not talked about enough in even going through loss, miscarriage, whatever the experience might be for a mom and a dad together. Um, yeah, I think that really what you're doing is so important. And when you say you wanted to learn a little bit more about how your body works, yeah, it's really interesting to look back and think back to, I mean, we learned about it a little bit in health. I remember through the years of teaching health in college, we would talk about it, and there was a whole section and chapter on reproduction, and we would talk about it. However, for the average person, it it's not always talked about. And even in a classroom setting, you know, kids can get a little uncomfortable. I get all of that, but I think it's something that is such a normal part of life and our bodies as far as women are concerned, and understanding our cycles, understanding our hormones. Like, I I know that my daughter, she's 27 now, and she's gone on this journey the last just recent years of really understanding more about hormones. And she's like, Why are we not taught this more? Exactly. Yeah, yes, why are we not taught? Why do we not talk about it more and learn about this? And I said, I don't know, you have a really good point, you know. Like, why are we not? And I I even was like, gosh, I had to think back. Did anyone really, really truly teach me about hormones? Not a ton. Not at all. I mean, like you're saying, you learn a little bit, especially when you're trying to become pregnant, you definitely learn more about your cycle then. But outside of that, there's really not a lot of discussion.

SPEAKER_00:

No, there's not. And I think that's one of the things that I find when I work with people most often is I start teaching them about how their cycles work, how their hormones are working in regards to that cyclical nature of our of our menstrual cycles. And um, they go, Why why didn't somebody teach me this sooner? And it's no fault, most of the time, it's no fault of parents. Parents don't know this information either. So most of the time, teachers in the education system don't even know all of these details. Then they're just kind of handed a worksheet to teach health class in schools. And um, so really a huge passion of mine is just being able to get this information out so that women and and people in general understand how hormones change naturally throughout a cycle and how that can be used for so much health knowledge and and body awareness of of just how things take place.

SPEAKER_01:

It's so true. And I, you know, I feel for the for the women out there that maybe don't have regular cycles, like mine was always pretty regular. Like I could tell what was going on most of the time. However, I know in some ways too, just because of my field and my background, I'm I tend to be a little more in tune with how my body's feeling and what's going on. And and I know that's not always the case. But for those who are not regular, how do you help them with their cycles?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. So I think there's a a couple of pieces of that. So when we often think of regular cycles, some people's mind goes through that your cycle should always be 28 days, which is incorrect information. There's this range of a cycle length, um, kind of around like 25 to 35 days. That's a typical normal length of a cycle. For those people who consistently have longer cycles than that on a regular basis, sometimes there's other lying health issues that are going on with those things. A lot of people experience things like PCOS that kind of elongate those cycles. And then there's also people who are having cycles that are changing. So sometimes they're really short and sometimes they're longer. Um, and that's that's the hardest part, I think, when people first get into this is okay, like I it's erratic in in the sense of like under not knowing when it's coming next. And so um we when when I work with people to chart their cycles, we can kind of see what what else is going on in their lifestyle, in their health journeys that are may or may not be influencing what's taking place with their cycles. So, for example, people who have PCOS with a which is polycystic ovarian syndrome, um, they are seeing sometimes really prolonged times before ovulation ever takes place. And so their cycles can be really long. But that for many of them, that time after ovulation takes place until the next cycle begins is consistent, like most of our cycles are. And so that's a really interesting thing in that when we're tracking our cycles, we can know when ovulation takes place and then use that information to know, okay, like two weeks-ish from now is gonna be when I bleed next. And so that can be really beneficial to just have that knowledge base of like, okay, like I know ovulation has taken place, so now I can use that information to have period products on hand in about two weeks so that I know that we're we're not wearing white pants on those days or things like that, right? And just be able to have that comfort level uh around that. But I think so many people come in to to working with me saying they have what they think are irregular cycles, and it sometimes really isn't. It just is the normal range of life. Sometimes people have stress, and that um makes ovulation come later in a cycle, things like that. I think the other thing when we talk about irregular cycles, that's really important to remember is that in adolescence, so right after that first period that you ever get as a young girl, and it takes about six years for our cycles to regulate. And so um that time is that's like that's a significant amount of time. So if a uh like a 12-year-old is getting their period, their first period, that's close to almost like close to when they're 20 that they're that this might have some irregularities, meaning some changes in cycle length. Um, and that can be really helpful to just have that knowledge base. So that's not wrong, it's just our body's trying to figure out what to do. And same thing with um postpartum or coming off of hormonal birth control, there's often just some normal irregularities as our body figures stuff back out.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you have such a great point, too. And that I didn't know that it can take up to six years for our system to actually become regular when it comes to our cycle. So that's fascinating. And I think to the other part that you're sharing that I think is so important for our listeners to hear and to understand is that a a cycle, consistent cycle, can look different for everybody. I think it goes back to one part of that small amount of what we're taught. You don't you're like ingrained that every 28 days, every 28 days. Yeah, right. And it might not be every 28 days, it doesn't mean you're exactly out of the norm. So that's I think that's really good information to to really emphasize.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. Yeah, that's it's it's one of those things that like I think just having that knowledge base can be really helpful to be like, okay, like nothing's wrong with me necessarily. It just is the the range of normal uh of what can take place within a cycle.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that makes so much sense. So I'm I'm guessing, and we haven't kind of touched upon this, but maybe it was when you were trying to become pregnant, or did you go through some infertility challenges yourself? Is that what like led you into what you're doing now?

SPEAKER_00:

That's such a good question. So I personally have not been through any infertility challenges myself. I do have really painful, heavy periods, and so part of my knowledge base was just like, okay, like I want to know more about what's going on with this. Um, I do have experience with pregnancy loss in the sense of um my mom experienced multiple pregnancy losses, and so as a kid, I I was aware of that, and um, having that like sibling loss with that was was hard on me as a as a little kid and um has influenced who I am as a human being and how how that um interplays with all of this. But my background really came from just having this wanting to know more about how my body worked in general, and um I actually learned more in detail after my the birth of my first um child, uh, because he we kind of just were winging things from there. And uh when uh in between my first and my second, we have two kids, um, I was like, okay, like I wanna I want to be able to use my body's natural rhythm to be able to avoid pregnancy and space them out and things like that. Um, and so that's really where it came from for me.

SPEAKER_01:

So interesting. And I never even thought about the fact of the, you know, experiencing the loss through through your mom, like and being a six and seeing her go through it. Um, I you know, I talk about it with my kids now, and that that just is an interesting thought now, thinking back because when I went through it, my my two older children were around four or five, kind of in that range. And you know, so that at that point I I didn't really talk about it with them, I believe. I can't remember. So I just never even thought about that. Like, how does that impact you they're seeing mom go through this painful experience? I mean, I we might have talked about it a little bit um back then, but it's interesting to think, you know, the impact that that also has on the other members of the family, like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for sure. And my mom had some miscarriages that were early on, but there's one in particular that she uh my sibling was at like 19 weeks in gestation. And so that obviously, like that's a huge it everybody was aware. We had told friends all of those things, and so um it was much more significant than than sometimes obviously like any loss is a is a loss. Um, but definitely, yeah, it's a it's a little bit of a bigger one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I can't imagine that. Like, I you know, I'm grateful that for what I experienced, it was always early on. And I just my heart just breaks for moms that go through an experience like that, or you're you hear a a lot lately of stillborn, and I just I can't even wrap my head around it. I almost can't, I almost can't even go there because my heart hurts so bad for for most parents. And for sure, are you? And again, I don't know if it's because it's talked about more, it's shared more. I feel like it's happening more frequently nowadays than it did back, you know, 10, 20, 30 years ago. Are you are you feeling that? Are you seeing that? And it does the research.

SPEAKER_00:

That's that's such a good question. I I don't know for sure research. Like I don't know the statistics on that, and that's probably something I should know. But I do think a huge part of it is just the knowledge base of people being willing to share their stories. And I think we live in such a digital age that people are able to share their stories so easily now. Whereas in 20 plus years ago, the the real like knowledge base about where you could and couldn't get information was much limited. Um, you were most likely getting your information about reproductive health from a gynecologist. Um, and if there was any loss, like they were leading that um conversation around what should the next steps be. And depending upon what that gynecologist's knowledge base was, they might have other resources for those families about mental health support or physical support or all of those things. And I think because we live in a society now where we have so much information just accessible at our fingertips, for better or for worse, I think this is a part that's really better, is that we're able to just have being able to share in community and being able to have these conversations about um people's experiences and and how we can support one another and know that there's multiple different ways to go through a miscarriage physically. Um, the only option isn't going to a hospital and getting a DNC. Like there's there's multiple options of how people can go through that. So um I think that's a really big, big part of it too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that really is to help parents and help moms know they have options. And I I don't remember that at all back when I was going through it. And, you know, and it's interesting to think back to I feel like and it it might be that way now that there wasn't a lot of doctors working in the field. Maybe they were, but I feel like it was kind of like, Okay, well, this doctor's in your insurance, so why don't you go to this doctor? And I remember I did go to a doctor and he didn't help me at all. And do you know that? And I consider her like an angel for sure. It was a friend of mine. I'll never forget, we were in the preschool parking lot at our church. Both of our kids were in the same preschool class. And she'd gone through a lot of fertility treatment. And she says, Shelly, she goes, Why didn't you give my doctor a call? Why didn't you try my doctor? And you know, lo and behold, that's how we got pregnant. And so you just never know. But I like I say, she's she's definitely she was definitely an angel back then because I I don't know, I don't recall knowing any other direction I would have gone at the time. And again, I'm sure there's many, many more resources now. And again, like we're saying, it's talked about more. So you have you know, moms, doctors, nurses, whoever sharing more about it, and more of there's much more information out there that's available to the public for sure.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

And people like yourself, which is so needed, like so needed, someone like you to be able to, you know, educate and support along the journey. And uh, and like you say, even for those that that go through the loss, you can be there to support them. And that's that's huge. I think it's you know, having the support from, you know, not only you supporting us from a mom's perspective, but also from understanding, you know, the science behind it and what's going on and be able to help with that side of it too, is really, really critical. So that's great.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think for for a lot of people, like understanding that what cycles, because that's what I primarily do, what cycles look like after a pregnancy loss is gonna be similar to what it looks like postpartum for a lot of people. And that that's um, so there's gonna be this time where this return to fertility is gonna be a little bit differently as our body figures out how to recover from that loss and figuring out what the hormones are doing and then building back up to ovulation again, and that can take some time. So not only do sometimes people just need physical time to to process things happening and that loss and and mental health support with that, but also sometimes we're we're struggling with the fact that our cycles don't just return to their regular um routine right away and and trying to understand what can be happening with that as well.

SPEAKER_01:

That was going to be my next question is what do you see like on average the time frame there? Because, you know, like you're saying, it's a you know, we're we're recovering physically, emotionally, mentally. So again, it's gonna look different for every single person, but on average, what would you say is the time that their body can be healed and start trying to get pregnant again?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, that's such a good question. So for many people, it takes about four to six weeks for those HCG levels after a pregnancy loss to come back down to what they should be. So um giving ourselves time for that would is always good. And then within that, um generally speaking, um, many people experience their first period and cycle back between four to eight weeks um after that loss. But some of it can take longer, many people more up to the 12 weeks or even longer than that, especially for people who have more of a severe trauma or somebody whose cycle has been kind of on the longer side to begin with. But with that, like that's the like when it might return. And also there's then that knowledge of like, okay, like what does this look like for you for you as an individual? Um, about when is the right time for you to start trying again. That's gonna be so dependent upon the specific person about how they're feeling um overall. Uh, but but the like biological part sometimes comes back in around those like six to eight weeks.

SPEAKER_01:

Which I mean, doesn't seem like that long. Although I guess when you're going through it, it might it might feel like that, but it's a tough one because you never know, like yeah, I I don't know, it's hard. I'm just trying to like think back to like you know how I viewed it. I mean, I just it was int it was an interesting experience for me personally, just my personal journey, because I you know, like I mentioned, I think earlier when we were talking before we recorded my podcast, yeah, I was sharing with you that we had a little bit of a struggle getting pregnant with my daughter, our first baby. And then our second, um, our son was easy, like he was like all of a sudden I'm like, oh my gosh, you know. Um and so that was great. And then all of a sudden I started getting pregnant, like I kept getting pregnant, but then I kept having a miscarriage. And again, it was early on, thankfully, it would be one of those where you go and there's a heartbeat, and the next visit you go and there's not one. And and and so um, to go through that, I mean, I don't wish it on anyone, but to go through that more than one time, it takes a toll. So going back to the point, right? You just never know the time that you're going to need. But I feel like I don't know, I think I I initially had really hoped to have another child close together, but I obviously I'm glad that that's I mean, God's plan is the best plan, yes, right? I mean, our two are very close in age, and then we have our third, and it's just it's perfect, like you know, God had the plan. And so I think that in that that time frame though, where we were like getting pregnant and then lost, and then pregnant and then lost, and then all of a sudden I wasn't getting pregnant at all. And that's what you finally seeking help. Um so again, it's just you know, I can look back now and go, it's really interesting to think about the whole journey and and what it looked like for us. And I don't, you know, I don't know if everybody would call it interesting, but for those that especially are maybe still struggling to have their first, I mean, I just I feel for them and I always just have so much hope that it's gonna happen. Um when I mean, I hate to say when the time is right because that's so cliche, but um I don't know. I I just guess again, it there's a plan, there's a plan for everybody. We just never know when we're going through it.

SPEAKER_00:

For sure. Absolutely, and I think there's so many things that we can do to make sure that our bodies are doing things well so that there is the opportunity to like have best case scenario with any pregnancy, is because there's so many things that need to go right to have a pregnancy well, and it most of it is like outside of our control, and and and that's something that's hard to grasp, I think, especially as a woman who's carrying a child, like that's there's you put a lot of weight on yourself of feeling like that's your responsibility. But I think for so many people who are kind of in this infertility space and maybe early on too, making sure that you're getting your hormones checked by somebody who's willing to like do the time to understand what's happening and look at your cycle over multiple days and multiple phases of it can be really beneficial for so many people who experience those losses early on. Um, their corpus luteum isn't producing enough progesterone for to sustain a pregnancy well. And so that like that's quote, like an easy fix of like there's ways that you can supplement progesterone and help sustain a pregnancy. Um, obviously, like nobody should have to go through any type of loss, but that's just something that you can know to look into if that's not something that your your doctor has has acknowledged could be an option. Um, and also as as somebody who's like trying to think or like starting to think about getting pregnant, um, that might be something to look into as well, like before you even are trying, of like how is your body producing progesterone and estrogen and how is it doing it well? What else could you do to support your body overall? Um, just so that you're in the best health as as as you can be in in that season of life.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's so, so good. Such great advice. And I think you bring up such a great point because I was thinking earlier too about what it truly is such a miracle when you think about everything has to be working so perfectly together. Yeah. When we hear about loss or or miscarriage, it's like it's so, it's so, it's so heartbreaking. However, when you think about how many successful pregnancies there are, and you think about again, it's such a true miracle. Everything has to be just perfect, right? Which is incredible in itself that it even happens in the first place. So I guess, you know, it's holding on to hope that you know that that our bodies do work when they're how they're supposed to. And hopefully for those that might be out there struggling, um, I want to just encourage you to seek out, seek out help and reach out to Emma and and get some, you know, not just that emotional support, but some some professional support as well along the journey because it's it's so, so important. You know, we don't want anyone to go through this alone that might be going through the struggles as as we share this, share this episode. What would be, I mean, we've touched up on a lot, and I think so important to share what you just shared about taking care of our bodies and getting ourselves in the best health that we can. Um, anything else that you think of that you want to share with the listeners that can be beneficial to the pregnancy or getting pregnant in the first place? Um, any other tips that you can think of?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, it it always seems like TMI, but I think the best thing you can do about uh if you're trying to conceive is to just know your body well and understand when uh your body's producing cervical mucus, that that's the best time to get pregnant. And so, like, no need to look at like a calendar of when when your cycle is taking place, like just understand your body. You know your body best, um, and being able to use those days gives you the most benefit of getting pregnant. And then I think just a really cool fun fact is that sperm can lurk live in uh cervical mucus for about up to five days, and so um you don't need to get the timing really right on the money, like you have some leeway. So uh a lot of times the recommendation is to use ovulation test strips, which measure LH, which is not a bad thing, but that gives you this like one-day, 24-hour window right of when around when ovulation is taking place, and you really have a whole bunch of days up until and through then that you can use um to try to conceive. And so understanding cervical mucus well is a an amazing spot to start.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's so great. That's such important information. And like you're saying, uh having the the that fact where the sperm can live for quite a few days is yeah, quite amazing. I remember learning that back then of going, wow, I didn't realize that, which again, that's something I think we I think we learned in school, but I can't remember back that part. I don't know, yeah. But it's it's a very important point.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. And I think it can be, I feel like it can reduce some of that stress of like we need to aim for a specific day to get pregnant this cycle. And you really got you really got a a good a good while unless there's some other reason that uh there's like male infertility, that there would be other recommendations around that. But otherwise, just have fun, use days.

SPEAKER_01:

That's that's great advice. I think that's almost like the best way to finish off. But I do want to share, share where our listeners can find you, Emma.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. So I um like Shelly mentioned, I host the Cyclical Doula podcast. So you can find me on all the platforms for that. Um, and then my I'm on all the social medias as uh Cyclical Doula. And so I mostly hang out on Instagram, but I get I push it to everything else. So I'd love to see you there.

SPEAKER_01:

I love it. And with that, is there anything else you'd like to share? Any final words of words of wellness or inspiration? I mean, I know we're gonna focus on you know having fun. Anything else you want to add to?

SPEAKER_00:

I think I just if if somebody is listening to this and and in a season of wanting to space or avoid pregnancy, my recommendation is just to understand that you know your body better than any technology ever will. And so um, like using apps can be helpful, but you understand your body the best. And so um just just being able to learn and educate yourself about your own body is is so empowering.

SPEAKER_01:

That's so perfect. Well, thank you for this. This has been great and such an important topic for so many.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely, it's been an honor being here.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's been an honor to have you. Thank you so much. And I want to encourage any of you women out there, moms, if you are going through any kind of a struggle with your fertility, reach out to Emma and uh she can definitely, definitely help you. And and you can hear, she's easy to talk to, easy to share with. So definitely reach out to her. And as always, take time for yourself and your wellness on this day, and we will see you next time on Words of Wellness. Have a beautiful, blessed rest of the week, everyone. We'll see you next time. Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did. And if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review Words of Wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening. And if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries, and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy, and blessed weekend.