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From TDOS to Hope: Nutritional Deficits, Toxic Burdens, Real Solutions

• Shelly Jefferis • Season 2 • Episode 140

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The modern health crisis isn’t just about willpower or steps; it’s about an invisible web of toxicity, nutrient gaps, and stress that rewires how our bodies store fat and spend energy. We sit down with author and researcher Peter Greenlaw to map TDOS—Toxicity, Deficiency, Overweight, Stress—and show how these forces collide inside the liver and visceral fat, shaping metabolism, inflammation, and long-term risk.

Peter walks us through eye-opening research: microplastics in daily drinks, obesogens that mimic hormones, and the steep decline of nutrient density in common foods. Then we put popular strategies under the microscope. Why does calorie counting often backfire? What happens when GLP-1 medications or time-restricted eating strip away precious lean muscle? Using peer-reviewed human trials, we unpack what the scale can’t tell you—how muscle loss slows metabolism, weakens immunity, and sets the stage for rebound weight gain.

Instead of hype, we offer a practical, evidence-based plan. Learn how protein pacing safeguards lean mass and energy, and how nutritionally supported fasting differs from plain restriction by delivering targeted nutrients while allowing metabolic reset. We talk real-world sourcing to counter nutritional deficiency and share ways to assess progress beyond a number: waist, labs, strength, sleep, and daily vitality. The goal isn’t to get smaller at any cost—it’s to get stronger, clearer, and more resilient.

If you’re ready to trade noise for nuance and quick fixes for outcomes, this conversation will help you rethink your health strategy from the inside out. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a reset, and leave a review to help more listeners find science-forward wellness.

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Shelly

SPEAKER_00:

Our food is becoming more and more nutritionally bankrupt. I mean, there are studies saying that if you take an orange from 30 years ago today, you've got to eat between six and eight oranges, a dozen apples. And one of my books I wrote about Cornell University's study on spinach, iron levels from 1953 to today have decreased by 4,300%.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you get confused by all of the information that barbards us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated, or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating? How to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone. I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries, and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more. To share tips, education, and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker, and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you. To bring in guests who can share their journeys so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness, and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life and that you will, we all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives full of energy, happiness, and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today. I use as resources. They are excellent. One is titled Why Diets Are Failing Us. The other one is The TDOS Syndrome, TDOS Solutions, and Your Third Brain, which I know he'll be sharing about this today with all of us. He has conducted more than 1,500 lectures around the world. He was also a featured speaker at the Autism One conference in May 2014 and 2015, and is a frequent speaker at the CEO Club of New York City. He was a pioneer making the world aware of toxins through his discovery of the TDOS syndrome and the role TDOS may play in causing us to have less energy, less sleep, more stress. And it is a major and can be a major reason why we are gaining weight. So he has also been featured on various programs. He's been in the media quite a lot. And I just want to welcome you, Peter Greenlaw, to the show today. I'm so, so very honored to have you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, thank you for having me. I'll try to uh not do anything to dissuade that wonderful introduction you just did for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you've earned all of that, and I just I'm so honored. And, you know, as we were talking a little while ago, I have two of your books, and I I go to them as a resource quite often through the years. And I'm a strong support of what you do and the information that you're sharing. And I don't know if we'll get to all of your books today, but the topics are both, they're just so critical. They have been for many years, but I think even more so today. And especially when we talk about the TDOS syndrome. And so for our listeners, what exactly does that stand for?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it's an acronym for toxicity driven by nutritional deficiency, causing us to be overweight and stress. And those four, um, every living, breathing person in the world has those. There's no way around it. You can't be alive. Um, and now you're right. When I started hard to believe, 21 years ago, there'd never be even been a study done on a human being if we were storing chemicals in our bodies. And so um, although I'd like I've done over 1500 lectures all over the world, I've even been to China. And in my lectures, I always talked about toxins, food was deficient, obesity, and stress. Um, but and actually, believe it or not, I was writing a different, a completely different book. And I was sitting at my desk and I went, wait a minute, is there an interconnectivity here? So then I called the medical doctor I ended up writing the book with, and I told him what I said. I think I've discovered something. He says, called the U.S. Patent Office. Um, so anyway, over the process of a couple of years, I was able to get a registered trademark of the TDOS syndrome, which is a really a big deal. It's way beyond a copyright. So they recognize it as a medical syndrome. Although obviously now with recent developments, I don't know if you saw that or not, but uh two weeks ago they came out and said that a cup of Starbucks coffee has between 50 and 80,000 microplastics in it, and that a water bottle has about 100,000 microplastics in it. And then McGill University just last week in Canada did a study on I don't drink tea, but apparently the imagine a uh pyramid-shaped tea bag from silk. They estimate that in those silk that in that if you drink a cup of that tea, you get 1 billion microplastics or the equivalent of 160th of a gram of plastics. But you have to understand when I started none of this, it wasn't even a wasn't even on the radar. So when I came up with this syndrome, um, of course, people thought I was crazy and they still think I'm crazy now, but I'm I'm just a mad researcher. And I would I, you know, it's true what you said in the beginning. I'm the researcher of the researchers. But as you probably know, Shelley, I've had the great opportunity to work with some of the greatest medical doctors, oncologists, molecular biologists, geneticists, nutraceutical chemists, and nutraceutical researchers in the whole world. And that's really what I bring to people. I say, look, my job is to make you aware. My job is not to convince you. And the thing is that it's becoming more and more apparent that these chemicals are really doing things to us. As a matter of fact, I want to read that, I don't believe you know about this. So there's another book out there. I didn't write it, but I look, whenever it's about research, I'm happy to share it. It's called, it's called The New American Diet. It was written by Stephen Perrin, who was the editor at large at Men's Health. And he was talking about these chemicals that I'd been talking about, you know, not necessarily the Tito syndrome, but they have a name, these chemicals, whether they're herbicides, pesticides, scotch, guard, teflon, they actually call them a name. They're called obesogens, as an obese. And here's what they say: obesogens act in a variety of ways, mimicking human hormones such as estrogen, blocking the action of other hormones such as testosterone, and altering the function of our genes and essentially reprogram us to gain weight. There's your proof of what you were saying. Now we know it. So can imagine we're evolving as a species. That's really what's going on. And what the buddy's having to do, also, let me give you one other statistic that'll probably blow your mind. Um, according to Dr. Lustig, who's a major, major medical doctor at Stanford University in California, he now says that in the United States, 45% of the adult population has non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And in 1975, there wasn't one case. And um, this thing is out of control. I mean, 50% of America is pre-diabetic. We have 92% of the American population are metabolic and healthy with three of five factors: overweight, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high cholesterol, high trigosids, 92%. I mean, this thing, 80% of America's overweight, 50% are obese. I mean, does anybody honest to God think what we're doing is working by counting calories, which by the way is one of the most unhealthy things you could ever do to lose weight? If you want me, I'll expound on that later. But the bottom line is this we have the body first gets presented with the chemicals to the liver, being the biggest filter. Okay. But the liver, in order to combat these text uh these things, they're in rat, they're enrobing the chemicals in fat cells. The liver shouldn't have any fat in it at all. So once it kind of gets the fatty liver disease, the liver just can't hold anymore. So then it sends these out into the bloodstream, and the body reacting in the only way it can for survival is taking the chemical and stuffing inside our visceral fat. So you have two different kinds of fat on the body. The outer layer that's called um adipose or subcutaneous, that's a fancy word for it. And then the underlying fat, the really dangerous fat, is the visceral fat around the organs. It's ironic that that's where the body's storing the chemicals, but it is. So it's it's just so in I I don't even want word to use, but for a long time, from when I started in basically 2002 until almost 2006, there'd never been a study done in a human being if we were storing chemicals. Sounds hard to believe, but Mount Sinai Medical School in New York was the first one ever to do it. And of course, I was delighted because I've been talking about it, and people thought that I was like an alien from a different planet. And I was just I was fortunately privileged to be working with the people that were beginning to look at this, right? And one of the most famous people that I worked with is a lady by the name of Dr. Dorse Rapp. She's passed away, but she'd been an Oprah 25 different times. And as far as I can tell, she wrote the first book on toxins called Our Toxic World. But it was dealing primarily with children and allergies. She had five medical degrees. She was an obstetrician, allergist, internist. Uh, I mean, I brilliant, brilliant. And she'd done 25 shows on PBS. And I got to go and spend a week with her when I first started. And she used to call me Sonny. She goes, Sonny, you're really on the right track here. Because what she had concentrated on was the massive increase in allergies in children. And she blamed it on the pesticides that were spraying on the school grounds, schools. Well, man, that really opened my eyes. And then, you know, I just really would say more than anything else, imagine a giant puzzle about the size of a gymnasium. Okay. And so what I've done over the 21 years is just take the pieces and put them together. And also, you know, our fourth book, which is really our most famous one, is called Your Third Brain, The Sun of Trick Title. Probably wouldn't have time to get into that today. But again, that was the same thing that research led me to, um, as it turned out, to, you know, author that book, which was really, really important. But as far it's a long answer to TDOS, but now I think you understand what it is. But when I wrote the book, there was not the awareness. That's a good word.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think this is so incredibly critical, especially like I was saying earlier, this day and age. And it's amazing how long it's taken for it to actually start to be out in the mainstream a little bit and to increase that awareness. And that's always been my goal. And that's something that I say. I was just on a podcast yesterday and I was saying those exact words. The goal is to increase awareness. It's it's not something that's going to change overnight, but if we can educate people and help them to become aware of what is going on, and you share it so incredibly well. I mean, it's just fascinating. And those statistics are so alarming. I just, I have to go back to you talking about the uh the liver disease, fatty liver disease. My dad actually, I think it's I think it's ultimately what took his life. And in his last few years of life, he had the different issues that we're referring to. He had the diabetes, he had the high blood pressure, he had the non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And it just is so heartbreaking to know he's been gone now five years, but to hear this happening and becoming more and more prevalent and actually happening in children is so alarming. And so I think there's such a it's it's almost like an emergency, I feel like. I I don't know if you feel that way, but it's almost like this is vital that this information gets out to well.

SPEAKER_00:

Um actually, if you read my first book, Why Diets are failing us, I wrote what people consider this really famous line. And this was in 2010. So you know, 14 years ago. At the end, I wrote, Imagine in the future, legions of the sick marching on the hospitals when there won't be enough nurses, there won't be enough doctors, there won't be enough beds, and there won't be enough drugs. In comes COVID. Now, obviously, I had no idea, you know, but I I saw this thing as a catastrophe. It was kind of like I'm on the Titanic, and that's an iceberg, that's an iceberg, turn left, turn left. And they just drove right into it. And so, um, but the here's the good news because this is not about scaring people to death, it's scaring them to life. So, in I can't remember which of my books I wrote this line in there. I said, and this is where I think we are now with the opportunity to really say, okay, in scientific discovery, the very first thing you have to learn is you got to understand the magnitude of a problem, or you can't ever come up with a solution, right? It's kind of like um you you need you need to have that. I mean, if you look at um, you know, pretty much any disease, whether it's polio or any of those things, that they had to first isolate, you know, what was what was the root what was causing it. Then they obviously came up with a vaccine in that case, thank God. But what we're looking at now is we're we're in new territory. In other words, first thing that happened, yeah, we're storing chemicals in our body, but it took them a long time to acknowledge, you know, these might be doing some pretty bad things to us. So I wrote this line and I said this sometimes in history, something so significant happens that it changes the world. And I believe that moment is now. Because the good news is we have seven new peer-reviewed human trial studies. As a matter of fact, I think you had the scientist on a number of weeks ago on your show and interviewed. Now, why is this important? Because it is a detox. And what you have to understand is that all the other, because I'm very big on social media now, right? And so I have to be aware of all the other people. With all due respect, and I think they're doing, you know, what they believe in their hearts is the right thing, but they're giving people the wrong information. That just the entire concept of like lowering calories to lose weight is one of the most unhealthy things you could ever do in your lifetime. Because what we're ignoring, and this leads into the problem. Remember, it's TDOS, D stands for deficiency, right? So, what I've never heard anybody talk about is when you lower calories, what else do you lower? Nutrition. And your body doesn't run on calories. That was in my, I mean, and I I can't believe that the white diets of fail unless I wrote it 14 years ago. It's it's almost as pertinent today as it was then, where I said the enemy's not calories, it's toxins. Well, now we know, yeah, it's toxins. That's what's going on. So, what these studies revealed with 80% women, 20% men, no one are even allowed to exercise because they didn't want to exercise to be an outlier. And yet, this is right in the study. So this isn't even a claim. I mean, it's right in the study. They they literally lost as much weight in a month as 12 months of any diet. But unlike all the diets, which now the evidence is clear that people are losing, yeah, you're losing weight on any diet, you're gonna fit in your chicken, but 40% of your weight loss is lean muscle. And when you lose any muscle, the body does two incredibly unhealthy things. First, it slows your metabolism down. Secondly, it impacts your immune system. What? Yeah. And here's what the experts say that for every pound of lean muscle you lose, even if you're exercising and eat healthy, it takes you 12 months to rebuild it. Wow. Now, yeah, so there's a big, big study in the New England Journal of Medicine came out, I don't know, a couple weeks ago, 68-week study on semaglutide, one of the GOP ones. Let me be clear, I'm not against the shots. If they want to do it, that's great. You know, a lot of them are diabetics, it's gonna help them. But again, as a researcher, okay, let's look into the what did they publish? Well, first of all, in 68 weeks, people lost 34 pounds. Well, maybe some people think that's great. I'm not gonna comment on that. That's like amateur hour, but right in the study, 40% of the weight loss was lean muscle mass. So do the math 34 pounds down 40%. It's 14 pounds of lean muscle. According to the experts, it would take them 14 years of being perfect to regain it. And are they regaining it? They're coming off those shots, they're gaining a half pound a week, but it's all fat. It's not muscle. It's such a concern because this is wac-mo. This is like wac-mo. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

It's so crazy. And I this is the first I've heard about the time frame it takes to gain it back a year per pound. I was just listening to something today uh about this very, very topic. It was actually um, I think it's Dr. Hyman talking about this very topic about the fact that these drugs are affecting muscle, tissue, muscle mass, and causing people to lose muscle. And one of the comments, someone says, Oh, this isn't true. This is fear mongering. And I had to say, no, this isn't fear mongering. This is education.

SPEAKER_00:

Go to the New England Journal of Medicine, the number one recognized journal in the world. So that comment, I mean, if I was on social media, one of the things I get so upset, and I really have to hold my powder because I know the answer. And what are they giving me? They're giving me, they're giving an opinion. There's someone right now talking about this time restricted eating where you don't eat for 16 hours and eat freight. Code word for lowering calories, okay? And he's coming on, he's got almost a million followers, and he's coming on telling people, uh, well, uh, 100% of the loss is fat. Well, and yet the Journal of the American Medical Association, they did a three-month study on time restricted eating. Whoa, did they have success? Unbelievable. In three months, the average weight loss was two to three and a half pounds. And they said, right, and the study said it's the most rigorous study of time restricted eating ever done. And they said right in the study, the majority of the weight loss was not fat, lean muscle. So it's it's like silly. It's like silly. You know, when I get when I'm well, I I do I do a lot on social media live, you know, and they're coming on and they're I I I mean, and I just laugh and I say, no, wait a minute. I'm only reading from from peer-reviewed human trial studies. By the way, sir or ma'am, you can't go any higher in medicine. And so here's the thing for I've been a researcher, as you know, for 21 years, wrote the four best-selling books, 1500 lectures all over the world, 20 shows on PBS. I but for 20 years, you gotta understand, like that didn't mean a damn thing, part of my French in the medical world, nothing, zero until a year ago when these peer-reviewed studies got published. I've got doctor after doctor after doctor now wanting to do this. And you know what? One of them told me, a very prominent oncologist, as a matter of fact. She said to me, You know, Peter, the reason, and we've been friends for like 12 or 14 years. She's read all my books. We've gone out to dinner, we drank wine together with her and her husband. And she said, You know why I wouldn't do it? I said, Why? She said, Because I'm dealing primarily with stage four cancer patients, and I can't recommend something to them that's not peer-reviewed. I'm not willing to take the liability risk. Okay. Well, I sent her the studies a year ago, to date, she's referred 80 of her patients to me. Wow. And without the peer review, and I don't blame, I now I understand. But what I'm saying is for 20 years I was ridiculed. For 20 years, there's no science. Who are you? What you know, etc. I mean, well, who are you?

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, it's like right, but the well now you can now you can just go, okay, here you go. This is what I've known for 20 plus years.

SPEAKER_00:

And we had belief, we had before and afters, we had stories, but we had no proof. And and now when I look on social media and see, with all due respect, medical doctors, big researchers, chiropractors, dietitians, nutritionists, fat loss coaches. I didn't even know there was such a thing, uh, weight loss coaches and trainers basically telling people the only way you can lose weight is to lower calories. Bolt bolter dash, done. Total, total nonsense, right? No, we have we have so much evidence, right? There's a report. Uh, do I have it here? Oh, I'd love to read it. Oh, wait till you hear this. Okay. So again, I always talk about never get I you know what I tell people in my my uh uh when I'm doing lives, do not, I don't want you to believe me. I said I I should have no credibility with you. The only thing that I concentrate is the medical studies and the proof from these big time people. Okay, so this is Harvard Medical School, Hobbit Medical School. The title is Stop Counting Calories. Listen to this. The idea of a calorie in and a calorie when it comes to weight loss is not only antiquated, it's just wrong, says the team of Stanford, an obesity specialist at Harvard Medical School. She goes on, drop the calories notions at Stanford. It's time to differ, take a different approach, she says, putting the emphasis on improving the quality of the calorie, not the amount. Well, did someone write a book about that like 14 years ago? Do you recall that book?

SPEAKER_01:

Anybody that's wild. You know, it's interesting because for years I was teaching, I still teach a little bit now, but I've been a college professor in kinesiology. And for many years, I would talk about just in basic terms and talk about the value of caloric intake. And when you have, you know, a handful of almonds or you have a candy bar, what's going to provide you with more nutritional value? They might have the same amount of caloric value as no bearing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Zero bearing. I mean, and now the big people are they're finally weighing in on this.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, the criticism I got for years, well, of course you lose weight by lowering calories. Really? Really? But it's it's look, I guess what's really happening. I think finally, the alarm bells, I think we're at DEF CON however you can go, the highest uh you know, threat level. I mean, my God, when you got nine or ten people metabolic and healthy, well, to to tell you what the impact is, our national healthcare expenditure is 4.5 trillion with the T dollars. Well, listen to this 1.25 trillion of it is metabolic syndrome. Three of those five factors. I mean, that doesn't that's insane. That's just crazy. And yet, in these peer-reviewed studies, what did they see? All five weight, weight, blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol, triglycerides all came down in 30 days. Inflammation came down 25 in 30 days. No one has ever seen anything like that. And yet, you know, I get all this resistance still because people are holding on for dear life to their beliefs, not even knowing about obesitudes.

SPEAKER_01:

Isn't that fascinating? They want to hold on to what they believe for so long rather than looking at the evidence and the research that's right in front of us.

SPEAKER_00:

Because that's what they were taught. That's what we all were taught, or that's what we thought. And I just say this to people I say, what if everything you think you know was wrong? Because it is. I mean, you might get mad at, and people get mad at me, you know, they're like, Oh, who are you? And it's the you're just a snake oil salesman. Really? New England Journal of Medicine? The Lancet, the biggest medical journal in the world, the Journal of American Medical Association. It's really, it's laughable. So I just have to learn to just if if that's your opinion. And then I tell them, why are you on this podcast with me? There's plenty of, I mean, you don't have to be here. If you're here just to torment people, then I wish you good luck. Right. And I really, I really, I really believe that, you know, and I would say, if anything about myself that I think has worked is I always thought that there was a solution. I always did. And even though we had anecdotal evidence, that's not considered a solution. So I'm celebrating these peer-reviewed studies. It's like, okay, now we have, and the word I use, which is appropriate for an a peer-reviewed human trial, is irrefutable evidence. Because most you know what, most people don't even have an idea what is a peer-reviewed human trial study. Well, the way it works, you submit your study to a big journal like something like the Obesity Journal, but you got what they don't understand, is they determine even if it's going to be published, they then send it out to other world cause experts who evaluate it for one purpose to prove that what you're saying is a lie. That's why no drug would ever get approved without a peer-reviewed study. You hear the term clinical trial, that's a dress rehearsal. That's a that's until you get to a peer-reviewed trial. So people don't, they don't even understand what that is. And here's what I say if any of these lotions, potions, pills that I see on TV with the celebrities endorsing them, whether it's a sleep aid or whatever it is, if the stuff actually worked, you would then want to do a peer-reviewed human trial. And they'll say, Oh, we did a clinical trial, there's scientific proof. The other thing they do is they hijack ingredients. They'll they'll they'll take an ingredient that's been studied and because they have ingredients in their product, but when I analyzed it, I remember this one I looked at, it was I I can't remember what it was now, but I figured out that have a clinical dose, you'd need to take a thousand of their capsules a day. It's just wow. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, you that's what you have to understand that any of that stuff you're seeing on TV, none of it have peer-reviewed human trial studies. Because they'd be exposed, they would be exposed.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. And it's so important for this to be made extremely clear because I I was just speaking to someone about this the other day about the fact that you'll see, like you're saying, a study on one ingredient, perhaps in a product versus the entire product. So when they can you can see all these different ingredients studied, that is not the same as looking at the entire product and how it works as a whole. And again, it's getting it's getting the information out and educating people because you're so right. I find myself sharing about peer-reviewed studies, and then I realize human.

SPEAKER_00:

Remember, human peer-reviewed human trials, very important. Yes, and and in because you could do a peer-reviewed mouse study, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. Not the same thing, not the same thing, and it's like you're saying, we're, you know, I'm sharing about this, but how many really, really, truly understand how significant this is?

SPEAKER_00:

I spend a lot of my time really educating people about it, you know, and just you know, they'll they'll say that, oh, I know what a no, you don't. You don't really understand what a peer-reviewed study is. See, they think you submit your work to like one of these publications and then they publish it. So they don't understand. Like the one study that just came out this last week, and Nature Communications, the number one journal in the world, it's so exclusive that out of a hundred studies that are presented to them, they consider seven. Out of the seven, they publish two.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

So when you get published in there, you're there at there's nothing higher. I mean, the highest level. So the journals do make a difference. There's about 150 different journals. So I mean, if you're if you're reviewed in journal 150, it's not the same as being reviewed in in Nature Communications. That's all I'm saying. Right. And the the point is that, and I'm not saying that they're not analyzing it, but it it's again, it's the credibility because as you move up the scale in those journals, they're much more selective, much more. And the scrutiny is at the highest levels of investigation on the planet. And because I'm a researcher, remember, I'm the researcher of the research. I didn't do the research, I didn't do the research on the semaglutide, but I'm letting you know what the what the study said.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. And that's a little bit, I'm I'm not, of course, at any near any level that you are, but I feel like that's something that I that I attempt to do is I'm sharing the research of what's been done. And I I actually made a comment the other day when I was working on my master's degree. I I knew I I wasn't really very passionate about doing research, but I love reading the studies. So I want other others to do that research, and then we get to share the results, which is very interesting.

SPEAKER_00:

What happened to me is that the kind of people that I worked with who are like one of my colleagues has worked with two gentlemen who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine, and he's so smart that um I I I like have to what did you do? What language are you speaking? You know? So, but they taught me. I mean, it's like I joke and I say, you know, really, I've got the most unbelievable job in the world because I work with like Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, and Einstein every day. Because I can call them up when I and I never share with people unless I understand it. Because then it's just it's it's hypocrisy, right? So that's why I love the fact now I can read from the peer reviewed human trials. I have them in my hand, I hold them up and I. I you know, and and and I think that I mean I hope, okay, that we've had enough of a wake-up call now with COVID realizing that good enough will never be good enough again. And the one thing we want to treat with absolute, you know, you know, sort of let's almost oh my god, you know, worship is our immune system. And that is again, obviously TDOS syndrome is one of the is one of the main things that attacks the immune system. And so I think that you can I think you're gonna see more and more and more people now that we understand the problem, you know, hopefully they'll come up with more solutions. But I'm happy with I believe that what has now been discovered will stand the test of time. I think a hundred years from now we'll look back and say, this was the, you know, it's like, hey, there was only one polio vaccine, it worked. They're not changing the polio vaccine, you know, 60 years later. The same kind of thing here. Because the approach is really the opposite of our food today, which our food today is the D in TDOS is for deficiency, that the D represents the fact that our food is becoming more and more nutritionally bankrupt. I mean, there are studies saying that if you take an orange from 30 years ago today, you got to eat between six and eight oranges, a dozen apples. And one of my books I wrote about Cornell University study on spinach, iron levels from 1953 to today have decreased by 4300 percent. So, what did they what did they have to do in the studies? They had to go and locate food that had no relationship to calories, and they went around, they went all over the world. They went to New Zealand, they went to Russia, Mongolia, they went to and and so this I mean in the researchers, what they told me this that they'd never recommend any form of traditional diet ever again because of the only because of the base, and they don't sell any products, they're researchers, and you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

So I I feel I'm optimistic that there's great hope out there, and I think you know, people like yourself doing this, I think that's it's a wonderful, wonderful, you know, strategy. Obviously, I'm really building my brand now. I hope to bring it to you know more and more and more people all the time. But um, the more of these that I have the time to do, and you're right, my job is not to sell or convince anybody of anything. I that's way too tiresome. Here's what I know people are looking for us a lot harder than we're looking for them.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, you're right.

SPEAKER_00:

So if we have if we have to convince them, we've done something really wrong. But if we can pr I feel it's like a trial, okay. And what I do is I present the evidence on standard diets from the studies in doing the journal of medicine, journal of I mean big journals, right? And then I compare it to these, so it's an level playing field. Here's the evidence for traditional diets. So we're looking at peer-reviewed human trial studies. Here's the evidence on this new detox, which is going to change everything, peer-reviewed human trial. So it's a level playing field. It's not like one was a peer-reviewed human trial and the other one was a clinical trial or a scientific paper. That doesn't count. And let the people, based just on the evidence, decide. But I joke and I say, well, here's your choice. You can take a year to lose weight that's completely unhealthy, or you can take a month to lose that weight and it's healthy. You make the decision.

SPEAKER_01:

You make the choice. And and which avenue is going to target the fat and the visceral fat that targeted, right? Zero, zero. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So I mean, it's really it's so I think what you're doing is very, very important and very, very good. And because hopefully people will see your podcast and they'll share with other people. I mean, that's what it's going to boil down to, I think, anyway. And in some ways, COVID was horrible for me because I'd done over my my whole thing was doing live presentations all over the world. And January 20th, 2020, that all stopped. And thank goodness for Zoom, for Zoom, it's really because people really wanted to hear the information, you know. And honestly, there's no substitute for a live, you know, but it's like you can listen to Andrew Brucelli on a CD here and you can see him live, and it's a whole because I've seen him live, it's a whole different, a whole different accent. I can't believe it in two weeks I'm going to see the Rolling Stones.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, oh no kidding. Oh my gosh, that's so fun. You know, I tell my husband that all the time because he says, Why can't I just plug a CD in? Well, we don't use CDs now, but listen that it's not the same, it's not the same as being in person.

SPEAKER_00:

But I mean, you know, I guess that I would I would say this that I really think you're on the right path. And I really think that it's really important that there are people like you or more people like you that are willing to do this, because at least if we make people aware, okay, like on the Titanic, if I would have said to them, this thing's sinking, there's a lifeboat, there's a life jacket, there's a blanket. And I would talk about it in my lectures, and I'd say, despite that, there were still people that that do you know? And you know, in the Titanic, this is totally off the subject, but it's really not. They only launched the lifeboats from one side. No one ever considered, I did, I considered this. Wait a minute. The engines were still running, they could have backed the ship up, put ladders, and people could have walked onto the iceberg and no one would have drowned. They didn't even think about it. So, you know, that's sort of kind of where we are now, right? So our job is awareness. You know, I was doing a lecture one time in Oklahoma, believe it or not, and a tornado hit like within a mile of where I was speaking, you know. So I told the audience, I didn't know it at the time. I said, would you have, I mean, if I knew that thing was coming, would you want me to tell you, or we just sit here and take our chances, you know? But that's kind of where we are as far as I'm concerned. You can go down this mantra of lowering calories. I'm going to eat whole foods, diet and exercise, 10,000 steps, which I'm not against, but it's not effective. It's having almost no impact whatsoever, you know?

SPEAKER_01:

Right, right. And I I also agree with you 100%. We can do our job and share and educate and bring about awareness, but we're not in the job to convince people about the best way to go about it's that it's it's too tiring. It is too tiring. And I just I again I'm so so grateful to have you on today, Peter. Well, thank you so much. It it really this is invaluable information. And thank you for all you've done in 20 plus years and continue to do because, like you're saying, I mean, you've known this, and now we have the evidence to prove it and to show it and to share it with others. Yeah. And I'm just, you know, this gets me fired up. I'm excited to read your books again. You see, I have them. I see it.

SPEAKER_00:

I see it.

SPEAKER_01:

And I will be sharing these books and getting your other one, your most recent one. I'm excited to read that one as well. And I would love to have you on again to speak about your other book because I know we didn't even hit that topic.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um, we can do that.

SPEAKER_01:

Let's plan that. And any last, I mean, everything you have said has been just absolute gold.

SPEAKER_00:

I I don't even know if we can even top it, but uh is there any last few Yeah, I I would honestly say that, and this is not a selfish plug, I have no financial interest in what you do or don't do, but I think if people are really interested in this, that you're you're you have the ability to show them exactly what they did in these medical trials. And I always tell people, I said, look, here's what it boils down to. In the medical trials, they did four things. If you thought of a total food budget in a month, they took half the food budget and showed people what to buy at the grocery store. The other 50% were these five foods that come from all over the food to make up for the nutritional deficiency. But then they did two completely different ways of consuming the food, one called protein pacing, and the other one's uh intermittent, actually nutritionally supported fasting, not fasting. And you know how to show them that because the thing I don't want to do is I don't want to get people all depressed where they say, okay, how do I do this? And I would say they can come to you and you can show them how to do it or not, just by making them aware of what they did. That that I think is the greatest gift we can give to anybody because it doesn't do me any good to you know be saying iceberg, iceberg, and then we just drive the ship right into the the iceberg, right? Right, let's let's turn the wheel fast, you know. So that would be my that'd be my closing um, you know, uh accommodation to everybody that is going to listen to this, you know, etc. I hope they will read my books because they're real wake-up calls. They're like, you know, I mean, honestly, I haven't seen anybody else talking about this except for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Crazy. Isn't that crazy? And I mean, I like I say, I share about it, but not even near the degree that you do. I don't remember how many years ago when I first read your book, but I I was like, this is what needs to be shared. This is what is happening in the world, and it has to the word has to get out. So I just I I thank you so much. I will put your books, I will put your information in the show notes. But what is the best way, Peter, for people to reach out to you if they would like more information?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I I have a website at uh I own another trademark, a big one. Um, I own this uh because I really believe in this, but my website is the new health conversation, because I sure as hell think we need one. So, you know, that, and if they want to buy my books, obviously they're on Amazon, you know, et cetera. And uh yeah, I'd be happy to come on again and talk about our fourth book, which is you know, probably our most act claim, although TDOS is a pretty big big deal. I wasn't sure I could top that, but well, I think we did top it. But uh I want them to come to you so you can show them, you know, what's what's possible. Again, not it's way too tiring to have to sell or convince people. I'm way beyond that on that point now, okay?

SPEAKER_01:

Right, for sure. And the the exciting thing is there that we do have a solution, and it is a healthy, safe solution, and that's that's the that's the exciting part. So there is a there is a positive side, right?

SPEAKER_00:

There's a happy absolutely, there's plenty of positive out of this, exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. Well, thank you, Peter, so very much. And uh thank you for those of you listening today. I hope you really take this information to heart. And it might take a couple listens to really, really get this into your heart and your mind and to hear the statistics and to share with those of you who have loved ones who maybe are struggling with their health. And even if you know someone who's not struggling with their health, this information is so, so critical to get out to the world. And so thank you for all of our listeners. And as always, do something for yourself today, for your own personal wellness. Have a wonderful rest of your day. And until next time, have a blessed week, and I'll see you next episode of Words and Wellness. Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did. And if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review Words of Wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening. And if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries, and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy, and blessed week.