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From Lawyer to Micro-dosing Mentor: Julie Cyvonne's Journey to Help Women Heal

• Shelly Jefferis • Season 2 • Episode 24

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From debilitating anxiety to profound joy—Julie Cyvonne never imagined mushrooms would transform her life. After losing her father at age six, Julie developed intense anxiety, depression, and control issues that followed her into adulthood. Despite becoming a successful attorney, she felt unfulfilled by a legal system that left everyone feeling worse than when they started.

Everything changed when Julie discovered the healing potential of psilocybin mushrooms. Not only did they help her overcome her own trauma, but they revealed her true calling: guiding other women through transformative psychedelic experiences. Today, she facilitates intimate retreats limited to just 5-6 participants, ensuring each woman receives the personalized attention needed for deep healing.

Julie passionately distinguishes between microdosing (small amounts of 100-200mg following specific protocols) and ceremonial journeys (larger doses of 2+ grams in therapeutic settings). Both approaches offer pathways to healing, but Julie emphasizes the critical importance of integration—applying insights from psychedelic experiences to everyday life. "The journey is 3% of the work," she explains. "97% is allowing it to change your life and putting in the work for it to change your life."

Unlike substances that create dependency, psychedelics have no addictive properties. They've historically been used to break addiction patterns. However, Julie cautions against "ceremony hopping" or using psychedelics to escape rather than engage with life's challenges. She challenges those who retreat from society: "Psychedelics are here to wake you up, to go volunteer in your community. Stop avoiding the problem, stop avoiding the hard work."

For high-achieving, perfectionist women who've tied their worth to productivity, Julie offers transformative advice: "Let go of right." Just as eating a kale salad while hating every bite is more detrimental than enjoying pizza with friends without guilt, wellness practices only work when they genuinely feel good. "You can't mess up your healing," she assures.

Ready to explore how psychedelic journeys might support your healing? Visit juliesavonne.com or message Julie on Instagram @juliesavonne with the word "journey" to take her free quiz about microdosing.

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Speaker 1:

Whatever genuinely feels good to you is what's going to be most effective. There are lots of studies around this with like food where you could eat you know, a kale salad but if you hate every bite you eat, it's going to have a more detrimental effect on your body than if you had enjoyed a slice of pizza without guilt with friends. And it's the same way with these like tools that we hear, whether we're doing 75 days hard or, you know, participating in like a community circle. If it's like not your thing and you're forcing yourself to do it, it's not going to work. And also, you can't mess it up. There is no right. Let go of right.

Speaker 2:

Do you get confused by all of the information that bombard us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone, I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more to share tips, education and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journeys so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life, and that you will. We all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives, full of energy, happiness and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today.

Speaker 2:

Hello everyone and welcome back to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly and I will be your host, and I am excited to introduce my guest today. She's a special newer friend, but I feel like I've known her forever. She's just has a great, great energy about her and we are doing this. Take two today because we had some tech issues the other day and I'm really fascinated to hear more of her story and have her share with all of you what she is doing for the women that she comes in contact with for their own personal wellness, and it's all very new for me and I love love having you on the show today, Julie, Welcome.

Speaker 1:

Hi, shelly, how lucky am I I get to spend two afternoons with you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, I feel the same about you. This is so fun and I forgot to tell you the other day. I know our listeners can't see, but I love your little, your background, little mushroom.

Speaker 1:

It all fits right. That's where I take coaching clients and I recently filmed a series called microdosing, or their daily dose of mushrooms from A to Z. So it was about microdosing, it was about macrodosing, it was about all aspects of sort of my facilitation, and so it was great to be able to film this here and have you know, some subliminal messaging around my work in the background.

Speaker 2:

I love it. I love it. So, yes, so for our listeners, julie does a microdosing where she she'll be able to explain it much better than I, because this is all new to me, but it's really fascinating. She has a story she went from being an attorney to becoming a coach, and so we want to share how that happened, julie.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, thanks so much, shelley. So I do, I microdose and I lead guided facilitated larger dose journeys, primarily with psilocybin, so hence the mushrooms. But I was an attorney. I went to law school. Right out of college I felt a lot of pressure to kind of figure out what I was doing, because I originally wanted to be a doctor and quickly realized blood was not for me. I can remember this kid in high school. I always competed with him for like the number one spot in the class and he, um he said, you know, you can't be a doctor, you hate blood, blah, blah, blah. And I always was like whatever, kyle, um, but Kyle, uh, you're right, if you've ever listened to me, um, I couldn't do it. It was it's so much for me like I could love you more than any person in the entire world, but if you cut your hand or something I would leave, I would call 911, but I'd be like you got it, see you later, could never be a mom. Obviously I love that.

Speaker 2:

I love that. Who was? Did you have any lawyers in your family? Because I was fascinated to know how you you know got to that profession. What led you to that?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's actually really interesting. I've never super thought about it, but no, my dad was an entrepreneur. However, my dad died when I was really young, and so he didn't have the opportunity to have an education, and so it was always like this premium on education, and although I came from you know, my dad was an entrepreneur, that's how he made his, his wealth and his mark. My mom really was always like you got to go to school and get a good job right from your education, so entrepreneurship wasn't ever brought to my attention or positioned as an opportunity for me, at least from my family. And in terms of being a lawyer, I was maybe unsurprisingly a debate champ in high school, and you know, when I was, when I realized that Kyle was right I never like saying that, but when I realized he was right, I made a little list.

Speaker 1:

Yeah hope you're listening, kyle, or not and I was just like what am I good at? What do I like? What don't I like? Like what? And so from that list, what is the natural conclusion?

Speaker 1:

And so it was very uninspired, but that was how I landed on attorney and I had this idea as well that I needed to do something like of a certain status and like doctor also felt like that. But, truthfully, the real reason I wanted to become a doctor was because my high school debate partner had had cancer a million times. She's alive and well, she's coming to my birthday dinner in a couple of weeks because she lives where I live. But she's she's a lovely human being, but you know, you're one of your best friends is sitting there, she's bald, she's puffy from chemo and radiation and she's she's dying right, like if you have cancer until you've fought it, like you're on that track. And she was like Julie, please cure cancer. And so what are you going to say? Of course I was like, yes, right, and you know, most researchers do go, like the the med school path and then into oncological research.

Speaker 1:

And so that was sort of what I was thinking of doing and I thought, ok, I could be a lawyer and I could still help people. But it's interesting. You know lawyers, the legal process, the idea behind it is intended to make the parties whole, but once you've entered the legal process there is an opportunity to be whole. I don't believe whether that's civil or criminal and it's a really protracted process that leaves everyone involved feeling, honestly, much worse than they even before they started the legal process like, let alone whatever harm brought them to the process in the first place. And it might sound trite or naive, but the work that I do now I see immediate benefits in people I see like them have long-term sustainable results that improve the lives of them and everyone around them. My ripple effect like gets to be so huge and I know that I'm doing much better work on this planet and contributing to the overall good in a way I never would have as an attorney.

Speaker 2:

Wow, that's amazing. I mean, obviously you were led to and meant to do what you're doing now and you, like many of us, I know you and I share this. It all started from wanting to help people. I mean, ultimately right, and what a beautiful story about your friend and that's amazing, that she's healthy and she's thriving, so that's wonderful. Tell us a little bit more about the microdosing also, and I know you had mentioned. We've shared a little bit but there was something that really affected you throughout the years as far as your your loss of your father when you were really young, and how does that play into what you're doing now?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so losing a parent so young, I've just felt a real lack of control, right, because I, my primary relationship was with my dad. My brother is on the spectrum and my mom had to advocate for him to receive services and everything. But that definitely left me feeling closer to my dad and my mom spent a lot of time and energy, understandably, with my brother. But you know I'm viewing this as an adult, looking back on everything when you're six, it's like my person died and you know I couldn't have. I had no control over that. It's not like I was being punished, although it kind of felt like that, and it's like what did? Did I do something to contribute to this? So I started exercising, or trying to exercise, crazy control over my environment because I felt so out of control.

Speaker 1:

I remember I have like all these toy systems where I would organize toys and play with them in like in different days, so no one felt left out. I organized our trip to Disney World when I was eight years old, like we're gonna go here, we're gonna do this, and I had my planner and like I planned my, my mom used to move my drawers because I would overstuff them but I had to have them color coded and I had to have the system, so I wore them an equal amount. I mean, I had some real obsessive behaviors. I had a lot of anxiety and depression. I suffered from intense dissociation and my dissociation showed up as like I almost didn't feel like I was in my body, like I was in there, but I wasn't the body itself, like my little self was just kind of like peering out through my eyes, thinking where am I? What am I doing? I had no like and it would kind of come out of nowhere. I can remember one time in a summer camp just having this intense dissociation episode and being like, oh my god, like it's scary. It's really scary when you go through it.

Speaker 1:

But my mom we didn't talk about mental health, right, I thought, unless you were contemplating ending your life, that you weren't like depressed, and I wasn't. I didn't. There were some weird things I did when I was younger that were kind of self harmy. It's interesting, before I even knew what self-harm was, I can remember not being that old or that long after my dad died like picking up a knife and like thinking about what it would be like to cut myself, and that's the thing that I think this is like such a. It's something to do with our innate human wiring, because I had never been modeled that Like, I had never seen it on TV, but it was like this like seven year old response to trauma, right.

Speaker 1:

And so there were a lot of things and I didn't tell my mom this. I don't want anyone listening to think like my mom was a negligent parent and she like wasn't, you know, wasn't paying attention to me or anything. That wasn't the case, but because we never had a conversation, there wasn't ever an opportunity for me to like put it out there. So I had a lot of trauma and a lot of anxiety and depression and I thought that I was always going to live with some level of anxiety, depression, despite like, so much good work I had done on myself, you know, in personal development and spirituality and my coaching certification, which was a learn the skill but also have the skill facilitated on you, and I was like what the heck, like why?

Speaker 1:

Why is this root in there? And through microdosing and pairing it with integration and intentional relearning, past practices I have, I don't have that anymore. Like I don't, I'm not depressed, I'm not anxious. Sometimes I still experience anxiety because that is like a normal range of the human emotion, but like those were big words I would have used to describe myself and I would not say that anymore at all.

Speaker 2:

That is such an amazing journey, like hearing about that. And you know, first of all I'm so sorry about your dad and that's just way too. It's never a good time ever, of course, but at six I mean when he was your you know your close, your close parent it's so hard, you know. I just brought up a couple of thoughts. I know when I was six, that was when my parents divorced and I was always really close to my dad and my mom too divorced, and I was always really close to my dad and my mom too.

Speaker 2:

But I get that and I think there's so many, there's gonna be so many kids who go through that where certain things occur and they, they, they want to fix it or feel like they want to control it and they can't.

Speaker 2:

And obviously it makes me think too.

Speaker 2:

I know that when my daughter was in fifth grade Makes me think too.

Speaker 2:

I know that when my daughter was in fifth grade her best friend's dad died suddenly, and so you know, obviously a little bit older than age six, but years later you know she shared with us how worried she was, always worried about my husband, her own dad, going through that with one of her best friends at such a young age and it's so hard because everybody's going through the emotions and dealing with the loss at the same time that I feel, like at the time we didn't realize how much it had impacted her, to like years later she shared how she was always. She's like I was always so worried about dad. So you know, to your point and support, and also in support of what you went through, you know of course you're going to be affected and impacted in some way, so it's, it's, it's not surprising that you, that you had to, that you went through that, and it's amazing that all though these years later, that you've you discover something that you're helping other women with, but totally helped you, and that's just really exciting.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, shelly. I mean to what you said earlier. I firmly believe with my whole heart that this is what I'm here to do. I feel extremely passionate and, despite, like, whatever roadblocks come up along the way, I felt very firm in it. I believe in this work with my whole heart and it's beautiful to see what it's done in my life, but it's so cool to see what it's done in the lives of so many others.

Speaker 2:

So you have just to share a little bit with, with our listeners. I know we've talked about this, how you have various retreats that you schedule throughout the year and from what I gather it's a small. You keep it to a small kind of a personal, intimate group, right?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so I really, like you know it's funny, people will encourage you to do certain things in business and I'm a very intuitive person and I know what's right for me, so I love all the feedback.

Speaker 1:

I'm open to it. But I'm a very intuitive person and I know what's right for me, so I love all the feedback, I'm open to it. But I'm also very firm in my truth and so people will say, oh, like these need to be bigger and blah, blah, blah. And so to be bigger, because I keep them at five to six women apiece, I would have to bring in a co-facilitator first. Like you know, safety and being able to like really give everyone the best experience and when I think that I don't think I'm that much of a control freak anymore. But that is one space like that is my space. I curated the way I want, I create the experience I want and I don't want to co-pilot, so I keep it at five to six and that also is a really good number for me to be able to connect meaningfully with every single woman there.

Speaker 2:

And I love that because that's the whole point connect meaningfully with every single woman there, and I love that because that's the whole point and that's just shows how, what big, how big your heart is, which I already know that because I know you, but that's I.

Speaker 2:

That's just a really big point and I don't want that to go unrecognized, like having a certain number of people so you can really connect with each person. And this is something that I think about with my events as well, like what we were talking about a little while ago. It's like whoever's meant to be there will be there, and it's important to me also for everyone to feel seen and heard and loved. And in what you're doing, you're going deeper, of course, with life experiences and trauma that someone's gone through, so it's even more critical for you to be able to have that connection. So it makes complete sense and you have these retreats and share a little bit about. I know you were telling me the other day about some of the women that you work with. But also you're working with them to to work through trauma or some event in their lives, and you do it where you draw it out of them what they've gone through, but you're also doing it through microdosing, and how does that work?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so just to clarify, my retreats, it's for women who are interested in having a guided, intentional, like larger ceremonial dose of mushrooms, so that usually starts at about two grams and can go up and look different ways. Microdosing is the way I facilitate. It's about 100 to 200 milligrams over, you know, a period of time, following a protocol, which is just like a fancy word for the schedule, and pairing it with intentional relearning tools and my. You know my retreats are for women who are interested in having that larger dose and I facilitate in a therapeutic setting, meaning like you lay down, you have an eye mask on, there's a playlist and I would say it really like the.

Speaker 1:

Where women start depends on where, where they're already at, but most of them who like their first retreat, it is about working through some sort of past event that is still weighing on them. Whether that be loss, well, I mean it is lost in a lot of ways, right, like loss of loved one, loss of relationship, loss of identity. Um, it also can be, and has been, abuse, and then women who come back. It's kind of like okay, I work through this base level of issue that was impacting my life, uh, pretty severely, and now I'm ready to see, like, what else is there for me like? And now that I'm feeling pretty good about that and have worked through it, it and gotten to a better place that feels better most importantly feels better, where do I get to go from there?

Speaker 1:

And I think what we also ended up talking about last time was, like my evolution of. You know, when I first came to this work, I was working through anxiety, I was working through depression. There was a lot of like nummy now unhealthy behaviors, and now that I'm five years in, I'm talking about okay, how can I dream even bigger? What is an infinite, like a possibility life look like for me? And how can I learn to hold even more good, because my life is already pretty freaking great?

Speaker 2:

I love that, I love that and it's so true, Like I'm just envisioning and thinking about the fact that when it's almost like you I don't know it sounds kind of like cheesy, but it's like you see the light, like you've gone through this difficult journey where you just haven't, maybe some of these women have almost given up hope, you know, and now, now you've helped them come through that, come through that, and so it's. It's like a, it's a whole new, almost like a rebirth, I think, in a way. I mean, I don't, I don't want to like misspeak, but that's what it feels like and sounds like like you have this new, almost like new identity and new motivation to to now you can like take on the world and you're, you're feeling more confident, You're feeling more clear headed. That's that's what I'm hearing and that's what it sounds like they go through.

Speaker 1:

Kelly, it's so interesting that you say that, because I know you're not like a little psychonaut and that this is a very like, different and new conversation for you to have. But so the women I always give them flight instructions before the journey and one thing I say is, like you may experience what you could consider a death of yourself, always followed by a rebirth. So it is very much a true. Like you know, I'm a caterpillar, I turn into straight up mush, there is no form, and then I am reborn the butterfly. So that is a very I'm actually makes me feel so glad that that's what you gained from what I said, because that is also what, like the research says, is true of these experiences, and I was just speaking from the experience of the women and myself that have gone on these journeys.

Speaker 2:

Okay, that's amazing, Cause I this is my first I first experienced with this period, so so that you're you're explaining it perfectly, then.

Speaker 1:

Oh well you, I mean we're just having the best conversation and everything is, it's clicking. But, um, yeah, I mean that is also to me, the the magic of of mushrooms and the magic of this work and why I also really enjoy these more personal conversations and connections. Because, you know, we connected. Well, we connected in a mastermind, but we saw each other in real life at power, which is such a beautiful event, but it's also quite large. I totally could have not seen you in person, right, like we could have completely missed each other. The room life at Powerhouse Women, which is such a beautiful event, but it's also quite large. I totally could have not seen you in person, right, like we could have completely missed each other. The room is huge, there's lots of women, but these are the kinds of things that, like I live for, and this is what fills my soul is being able to have these real conversations and dive deep and go one-to-one with someone.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I'm, I'm a hundred percent on board with that. I'm, I'm 100% on board with that. I'm exactly the same. And you're so right Like there were a couple gals from our group that I somehow didn't see the whole weekend. So it is, it's almost like whoever's meant to again meant to be there, who's meant to connect, and I just, like I told you already, I just I loved meeting you in person and being around you and I just could have spent much, much more time with you. So maybe next time that will work, we'll be able to make that happen. So one question I have is so a woman goes through the weekend retreat and then she ultimately can go through the retreat again. I think you mentioned that the other day. Is this something that some women choose to do, like is it? Is it something they ongoing for them? Like they go through the really deep work one weekend and then they do micro dosing after that, and is it something they do continue for always, or just a certain period of time?

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's a really cool question, so I guess I kind of am seeing it as three different answers. So I think you can you definitely can come on one retreat and have an amazing experience and really like move through and finally be able to like close the chapter on some of those bigger life events that have been yeah, I, you know occupying so much space, time and energy that you aren't able to enjoy life, and that's a path that is beautiful. A lot of women have done I love that. For them, I do do a microdosing masterclass on the last day of my retreat so that people can use it in their integration process, so a lot of those women have continued on microdosing. Now that, once they have the foundation, a lot of women do come on the retreat and then start microdosing it and working with me in support of their microdosing to get to, you know, their next level. My goal with everything, though, is to always make sure that people like are able to get to a really good place and sustain it. What I don't want to have happen is that microdosing, or anything else, becomes like a crutch right, and for me it it's about helping people teach the magic of microdosing even on an off day and to integrate those changes. So you don't just have a good day or you don't have a good day only when you're microdosing. You have a great life. I want long-term, sustainable, integrative change.

Speaker 1:

And then finally, there is the path for the woman like I spoke about on from my last retreat in the Ozarks where she had come to a retreat with me last year in September in Sedona, she came to my Labor Day Ozarks retreat this year and she signed up for her third retreat in Mexico in May of next year. But for her it really is this like first of all, I like that she's taken about a year between each journey, like true integration happens. You know really good work in the day-to-day. Because to say you know the journey is 3% of the work, 97% is are you going to allow it to change your life and are you going to put in the work for it to change your life? Like you got to climb that mountain, babe. And so for her you know first retreat a lot of stuff. Her dad also passed away young, really traumatic breakthrough, breakup, some other stuff, some really sad stuff that had just happened in her life, and so she was working through that.

Speaker 1:

This most recent retreat she was working on slowing down, creating presence boundaries, saying no when she meant no, not just saying yes to, like, you know, keep the peace. And then third retreat I mean, who knows what she's going to be working on then? And then third retreat I mean, who knows what she's going to be working on then? But you know, healing is sort of like a spiral and we start at the bottom. It's tough, man, it's not that fast either. We're moving through some dense stuff, but it can get higher and higher and it feels better and better. And soon we're working with like really cool questions of like how good can it get?

Speaker 2:

See, and that makes so much sense because it's not going. The healing isn't going to happen overnight, right? So it is a journey and it's more like an evolution in a way. So this might be kind of a funny question, but this is where my brain goes. Is it something like you mentioned? You don't want to become a crutch. Is it something that someone can become addicted to?

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's actually a great question. So, no, psychedelics are the only substances that the FDA classifies as like a schedule one substance that actually have no addictive properties. There are tons of well-documented studies that you know for like they do testing on this, for like rats. So there's. You know they test rats on cocaine, on nicotine, on psychedelics. Are rats going to go hit the caffeine button 17,000 times? Yes, they are. Are they going to go revisit the psychedelic buttons? No, it's actually, when they first brought mushrooms to the United States in the 50s and LSD and all these substances, they were using them in addiction treatment because it helped people break addiction. So they are actually the opposite of addictive. They're not only non-addictive, they're addiction breaking.

Speaker 1:

But what I do see happen a lot in the spirituality community is I call it ceremony hopping, where people are just like they're always up in the sky, right, they're always going on a journey. There's no integration, there's no. I mean, I see a lot of this. This is my big problem with, like, my psychedelic community. You know they're like we need to live apart from the world and like the world is too harsh for us and we go live on a commune. I'm like psychedelics are here to wake you up, to go volunteer at Big Brothers and Big Sisters in your community. Stop avoiding the problem, stop avoiding the hard work. Like change happens in the community, in the grassroots, and I see too many people like I'm leaving for like the farm life out in the middle of nowhere, and if you're living on a farm I know I mean that toward you. I just mean I see a lot of people in the psychedelic community absconding from greater communal responsibility, which is what I see as our duty and what I think the mushrooms are here to teach us, but then, in terms of microdosing, again you can't get addicted to it. Are here to teach us, but then, in terms of microdosing, again you can't get addicted to it.

Speaker 1:

But some people are like, oh, I need to microdose all the time because I only am nice when someone cuts me off in traffic. If I'm microdosing, well, a, it's going to lose effectiveness really fast. You have to take breaks or it's not going to be effective. And then B, you actually haven't changed to become a more loving person at all. It is a crutch for you and you're only nice when you're microdosing. Well then, guess what, you're still not a very nice person at your core. So like we got to work on this, babe, which is why I say you can't just pop a pill like an anvil and think you're going to be magically like a better human to be around. We got to do some inner work, along with the microdosing, for that to be true.

Speaker 2:

That's so good, oh my gosh. Yes, I'm like you're getting me fired up here because it's so true and it's funny to me and I shouldn't not to make fun. But with those that feel like they want to go off somewhere and like they can remove themselves from society, that's completely opposite of the goal right, completely opposite. Like you just can't. It's kind of like any kind of addiction. This isn't an addiction, but it reminds me of other addictions where they're just going and doing whatever they're doing to escape and they're never truly really dealing with what's going on in their lives and being able to function in their day-, day to day lives. So that's. It's interesting that it happens within the community, but it kind of makes sense to a degree, you know.

Speaker 1:

I saw a really interesting post recently that talked about we're so ungrounded from a sense of community and tradition that we do start to think like we prioritize the individual and we say, oh, I can't deal with society, so I need to go off grid and like live in the forest. And you know, google is listening to what I'm saying and Google is listening to what you're saying. I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but it's because we broke it like there's no community anymore and this work only happens in community. And that's another reason why I love my retreats is because this work is interrelational and it's not about removing yourselves from people because you hate people. It's about helping people like people would be more tolerable if they had access to clean water and food and health services. And like people are missing the point. You're here to be the solution, not to run away from the problem.

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's so good and I love what you're saying about community. It's it's so important and it's funny. I was telling my husband the other night, because we're, we're, we're opposite in that I I like to talk to people and meet new people, and he kind of just liked to have his routine and kind of just, you know, he'd be happy just to hang at home. And I'm like, yeah, that's great, but but, believe it or not, we are meant to be with others, we are meant to be in community. We're not meant to be solo, right, and um it. It just reminds me too of the fact that and he's great with people too, it's just like he's perfectly happy hanging home with his fur babies, you know.

Speaker 2:

But it's a big reason why I started my Moms who Flourish wellness event for exactly what you're saying, because I wanted, initially I started let's start with coaching and mentorship, and then, the more I thought about it, I said no, shelly, you want to bring, you want to bring these moms together in community, you know, and it's again goes back to kind of that time that we had a few years back where we weren't out around each other, we weren't in community, and now we're back, but it's, even though we're back, I just feel like every I feel like I say this like a broken record, but I feel like we need it more than ever and every time I turn around I feel like we need it more than ever. And every time I turn around I feel like we need it more than ever. We mean, you know, being with others and having those, that support system is so huge and I just I love what you're doing and you're you're helping so many, so many women and it's it's really it's important what you're doing.

Speaker 1:

Aw, thank you, Shelly. Same back at you. Yeah, you, yeah, it's really. It's important to be in real life with people, right? I mean, the internet is beautiful and it's a great resource, but it also can promote individualization, separation, a tendency to speak with a lot more hate and fear in our heart than we would if we were face to face with another human, and it's just. They can also breed a lot of not good stuff.

Speaker 2:

A hundred percent, and that's the funny. That's another thing my husband will say, you know, if I read a couple of things to him cause he's not on, he's not on social media and I'll share some things on occasion and he's like I wonder if they would actually say that in real life. And I'm like I don't know. That's a good question and it's sad to see like I this could be a whole other episode, right, I go back and forth because I use it.

Speaker 2:

My goal and I know you too is to be spreading positivity and helping others, but in that process it's really difficult sometimes to weed out the negative side, like sometimes I just it, just, you know it shows up on our feed, right, and it's not like we can control. I mean, to a point we can, but, like to your point, it's so very true, there's so much that goes on. You know it's easy to go on a keyboard and type stuff. Would you do that in person for a lot of these people? And so I mean I like to think and I know you're the same way that what you see is what you get. Like I like to think someone meets me in person. Oh yeah, this is like what you are on online and I mean that's what I strive for. I mean I'm not going to be mean or or share something nasty unless we're like in person, or maybe we take the conversation off of social media and have an adult conversation. Right, I mean it's just again, this is something we could.

Speaker 1:

This isn't a whole other episode yeah, I mean, there are a lot of keyboard warriors out there for sure um, and I agree, authenticity um is important, I think, especially in the work that I do, because ultimately, if someone like doesn't really jive with me, then they shouldn't have an experience with me, because psychedelics are really suggestible.

Speaker 1:

So if you don't feel good about me, you're not going to feel good about your experience, and I also do my best to really demonstrate and show like my style of coaching and facilitation and my and my content and these conversations, because I am I like to call myself a really like straightforward care bearer. We're like everything I say comes from love, but I'm also like not here to stand for your excuses, for your limitations or to like buy into your say this with love like bull, like everyone has their own BS Right, and like that's, that's not me. So I'm also like not a yes, woman for people, but everything I say comes from love and it. You know, I really think about the things that I say and how I lead before I do them.

Speaker 2:

I love that and that's that's so good and I and you are. I mean, you have such a huge heart and and it's important that, like you say, you don't take any BS from others because that's not going to serve them in what you're trying to do and helping them, that that's not going to serve them in any way. So I love that. That makes so much sense. Where can people find you, julie?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean, I'm always. You can definitely find me on Instagram at Julie Savone, c-y-v-o-n-n-e. I'm very friendly if you want to ask any questions, if you actually want to DM me the word journey you can take a free quiz to find out whether microdosing is a good fit for you. So that'll just. My mini chat will pop that on over to you, but my website is the same juliesavonecom, so you can find a little bit more information there about how to get started in microdosing and my upcoming retreats, et cetera.

Speaker 2:

I love it and make sure to all of our listeners. Reach out to Julie, like if you just have questions, I mean I you can. You can tell, by this episode I've had a lot of questions and it's fascinating to me because it's something that's new to me, and don't be shy to reach out to her. She's a love and she has a huge heart and she will answer any questions that you have. And who knows, maybe you'll end up at one of her next retreats in the next year or something.

Speaker 1:

Would love to see everyone there.

Speaker 2:

Right, that would be so cool. So tell me, my friend, any last minute words I should say words of wellness or words of inspiration you want to share.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you know, one thing that I it took me a while to learn and I think I know a lot of women listening to this can relate to is for those high achievers, perfectionists, women who have tied a lot of their worth to their ability to be productive and do things quote, unquote right.

Speaker 1:

You know, the biggest trap I got into when I started down this path was like thinking I had to do all these things and I had to do them exactly right or they weren't going to work for me.

Speaker 1:

And letting go of needing to do all the things, coupled with finding the things that worked really well for me in my zone of genius that, like I knew, felt good, and then releasing the idea that they need to be done right or with a certain frequency or anything, because you can't mess up your healing like that was the biggest pivot for me, where now I don't overload myself, I don't even know what right is there is no right and breath, work and meditation and whatever it's just like.

Speaker 1:

Whatever genuinely feels good to you is what's going to be most effective. There are lots of studies around this with like food where you could eat you know, a kale salad, but if you hate every bite you eat, it's going to have a more detrimental effect on your body that if you had enjoyed a slice of pizza without guilt with friends. And it's the same way with these like tools that we hear whether we're doing 75 days hard or, you know, participating in like a community circle. If it's like not your thing and you're forcing yourself to do it, it's's not going to work. And also you can't mess it up. There is no right. Let go of right.

Speaker 2:

I love that Let go of right. That's so good. On one of my most recent episodes we talked about should Let go of the shoulds, right? So it's kind of the same thing. Yeah, for sure, it goes back to what your whole purpose is to open up these doors for these individuals where they can experience the joy and the happiness again in their lives. And so exactly what you're saying is you know you want to do things that feel right in our, in alignment with you, and some of these things that we feel like we should do are maybe not, and it's okay to say no Right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's funny. Joy is my top value.

Speaker 2:

I love it, me too, I love it. Well, my friend, thank you so much for taking time today.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for having me, shelley. This was an awesome conversation and I know this is the conversation that your listeners were meant to hear, so yes, I totally believe it and I'm excited to to do this again. Yes, we need to have more conversations.

Speaker 2:

We'll have more conversations. For sure, and for all of our listeners, I will put Julie's information in the show notes and I will put her link so you can take her quiz and then, yeah, go to her site so that you can look at the different retreats that she has coming up, because she has them all over the country, so lots of places to choose from. So, and always take time on this day to do something for your own personal wellness, have a beautiful, blessed rest of your week, everyone, and we'll see you next time on Words of Wellness. Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode.

Speaker 2:

I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did, and if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review Words of Wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening and if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries, and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness, on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy and blessed week. Thank you, you.