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Healing Hashimoto's: Finding Hope Through Holistic Approaches

Shelly Jefferis Season 2 Episode 83

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What happens when the broken healthcare system fails both patients and providers? This powerful conversation with Esther Yunkin reveals the journey of an emergency room nurse who transformed her own thyroid diagnosis into a mission to help others heal naturally.

After 17 years in emergency medicine, Esther grew frustrated watching patients return repeatedly for conditions that could be addressed through lifestyle changes rather than temporary fixes. The turning point came during a particularly grueling shift when her body physically rejected food hours after consumption—a clear signal that her nervous system was in crisis despite her outward composure. This disconnect between perceived and physiological stress mirrors what many Hashimoto's patients experience: knowing something is wrong while doctors and tests offer limited answers.

When Esther received her own Hashimoto's diagnosis, the irony wasn't lost on her. Despite years of medical training, thyroid health remained a puzzle—which made her realize how confusing it must be for patients without medical backgrounds. This revelation became her calling to create accessible, affordable solutions for those struggling with symptoms like crushing fatigue, unexplained weight gain, brain fog, depression, and skin issues.

What makes Esther's approach revolutionary is her emphasis on empowerment over expensive testing. Through her self-paced program, she guides participants to identify their unique root causes and implement sustainable changes that deliver meaningful results in about a month. Rather than creating dependency on practitioners or medications with concerning side effects, she teaches natural alternatives—including ways to boost your body's own GLP-1 production without pharmaceutical intervention.

The conversation culminates in a powerful reminder that transcends Hashimoto's and applies to everyone's health journey: you are valuable because of who you are, not because of any diagnosis or symptom. While medical guidance matters, you always have the autonomy to make decisions for your own health.

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Speaker 1:

I think the biggest thing is to remember that you're valuable. You're valuable because of who you are, not because of any labels, not because of any diagnoses, not because of any symptoms. Those do not define you. You're valuable because of who you are and you always have the power to make decisions for your own health.

Speaker 2:

Do you get confused by all of the information that bombard us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone, I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more to share tips, education and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journeys so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life, and that you will. We all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives, full of energy, happiness and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today.

Speaker 2:

Hello everyone, and welcome back to Words of Wellness. I am very excited to share my guest with you all today. She is someone that I actually we connected actually ironically enough, probably last year, sometime around the topic of our podcast, because she also has a podcast which we will share about in just a bit. But I love her background and what she is doing now to help others with their health. She is a registered nurse with 17 years in emergency care and she began frustrated with the short-term band-aid approach of Western medicine, which is kind of a common theme I'm finding these days. Now she helps women with Hashimoto's thyroiditis find hope, healing and energy without becoming overwhelmed. She is the host of Health with Hashimoto's podcast and she has also created the Holistic Hashimoto's Program where she offers simple, sustainable solutions for lasting health. Esther Junkin oh gosh, welcome. I'm so happy to have you here and I can't wait to dive in and hear more about what you're doing.

Speaker 1:

Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to get started.

Speaker 2:

I am really excited and I'm really seriously finding a common thread among many of my guests who were or are in healthcare, and they are coming now from a whole different approach and I'm finding that more and more so. First of all, I can't imagine 17 years where you were in the ER.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yep. So I started, um like right from high school. I went to college and then, uh, for one year after college I worked at a small small ish hospital med surge, and then I went up to the ER and, yeah, I was there for about 17 years.

Speaker 2:

It was a long time to be in that, in that environment, I would think.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it is, but I mean, every day is new, yeah, so it's it's really fun, but at the same time it's hard work and, yeah, I got tired of it. It's really fun, but at the same time it's hard work and, yeah, I got tired of it. When you see the same not just the same things come back but you see the same people come back in.

Speaker 1:

I'm not helping people Like traumas, yes, heart attacks, yes, we help them, but there's so many things that they just come back for it might be emergent. It might not be emergent, but they're coming back for things that if we could have actually helped them address their root cause and address their lifestyle and even simple things, maybe they wouldn't be coming back. And after a while that just got too much of a burden for me. I'm like what am I doing?

Speaker 2:

So much sense because sense, because then you feel like, well, I'm not helping, we're not helping them if they keep coming back to the ER. Right, I have someone else I know that has a similar story and he was a nurse. And same thing. He said there was a dad that came in and had a heart attack and almost lost his life and they saved him and he was great. A few months later, back in the ER, same exact thing, and that's. I mean it would just be normal that that would take its toll on any of any of you know people working in the ER. I can't imagine going through that. It would be really hard to see that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I know my my daughter works in the ER in a children's hospital and she's been just doing it for a couple of two, three years and you know she described it so well one day. Where you're, you walk in, you don't know what you're walking into. You're walking into, you're coming from your, whatever you've done in your you know morning routine or whatever your day is looking like, and then you walk into this chaos, most likely, and not knowing what you're walking into, and then trying to come down off of that when you get off work. I just think it would be really challenging.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, I remember one day and I quit before COVID, so I know things are worse now, but I remember one day and I was out in triage. So you know you're responsible for everybody out in the waiting room, like they are. If something happens to them, that is on me, and it was 20, 30 minutes before I could even lay eyes on them and that is so stressful. And I remember you don't have time to go to the bathroom or eat, take a lunch break or anything, but I was getting, you know, 12 and a half hours. I needed to eat something, so I ran to the back and I grabbed a protein shake and this was maybe eight hours into my shift and then I remember I just still didn't feel well the rest of the day and on my way home, so this is what four or five hours after guzzling that shake, I pulled over on the side of the road and on my way home, so this is what four or five hours after guzzling that shake, I pulled over on the side of the road and I threw up and it was my entire protein shake.

Speaker 1:

Like I was in such a state of stress, that fight and flight, that my digestive system just stopped Like we cannot process your nutrients that you just consumed because we're focused on, you know, fight or flight. And now that that day will always stick in my mind because, um, I mean, it's just a clear sense of that was a stressful day. And it wasn't a stressful day because I felt stressed. It was a day a stressful day because my body is like this is enough it was probably one of the huge turning points for you.

Speaker 2:

I would think where you're going. I need to make a change.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, and I don't really feel like a stressed person either. Some people are very high drama. That is not me. I am like rock steady, and so, even though I felt like I was calm on the outside and I felt like I was coping okay, my body was saying no, this is a stressful job, please recognize that. And I was like, oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 2:

I hear you, yeah, wow. So how soon after that day did you make the change and get out of nursing?

Speaker 1:

That's a good question. I don't know Like I remember my progression to holistic education. Like even when I was a freshman in college, I recognized that the body, or that the person, is body, mind and spirit a whole, and so that has always been my philosophy. And in Western medicine you just look at just the physical. But that has never been me.

Speaker 1:

And I remember when I was pregnant with my third son we had just moved to Minnesota from Montana and I was sitting in a quieter area of the ER because my coworkers felt bad for me. I was sitting like in a quieter area of the ER because my coworkers felt bad for me. I was, you know, largely pregnant and I saw something I don't remember if it was in the news or in my email or something and it was about functional medicine. So this was in 2011 and it was the first time I'd ever heard of functional medicine. And I sent my husband an email at like two 30 in the morning and I said this is what I'm going to do someday. He was currently in going back to college at that time, so it wasn't my turn. You know, that was baby number three. After we had baby number four, he was covered head to toe with eczema and that was like my push, like it's time for me to go learn, and then that's when I went back to school.

Speaker 1:

And then it was, I don't know a couple of years later, where. Just the craziness of having four boys and both of us are nurses. So who's going to work the weekend? We're going to have, you know, childcare, and yet if I'm working until three, 30 in the morning, it's really hard to get babysitters. Like I only need you until four, 30 in the morning, but then in the morning, like both of us are sleeping, so can somebody come? Like it just got to be too much of a hassle and that was actually why I left. I had already gone back to school, done the holistic health like and was starting to work on my own in addition to the ER, and it was actually the hassle of childcare that was like I'm going to quit.

Speaker 2:

I can't imagine that having that challenge, that would be very, very hard. Yeah, all hours of the night trying to figure that out. Wow, so what brought you to what you're doing today? I'm assuming that you have dealt with Hashimoto's yourself.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah. So you know, in the ER you're constantly busy and there's so many people who need to see you, and and so I was like, once I opened my own practice and I start doing, you know, health coaching or holistic education. I'm going to have a line of people who all need to see me because there's such a need and people don't come for that. And so I knew I needed to narrow down and I just couldn't figure out what I wanted to focus on, because I really want to help the person and I didn't really care about what their problem was. I just wanted to help the person.

Speaker 1:

And then, yeah, I went to my chiropractor. I was having some problems and she's like you know, I think we should check your thyroid. And when I was waiting for the labs, I was just praying. I'm like, dear God, please don't let this be my thyroid. I don't understand thyroid. After four years of nursing school, two more years of holistic education, I still don't understand thyroid. So, God, this cannot be my thyroid. And it was. And then I just felt God saying Esther, you've had all of this education and you still don't understand thyroid. What do you think the average person is going through?

Speaker 2:

This is your new mission to help others, and so, like it was, it was just that light bulb moment of like now I get to use my, my story and my suffering and my challenge to help and serve others, and so that's that's why I started focusing on Hashimoto's, and I love that, and that's what you hear all so often right that you're most powerfully equipped to serve the person you once were, and so it just makes so much sense because you not only you have the knowledge, but then, when you have the experience to go along with it, it makes for a great combination, and you know very trusting source that you that I'm sure that you obviously are and you work with people one-on-one or in a group setting.

Speaker 1:

I do mostly in a group setting, and that just comes down to the. Again, it's the broken medical system. Um, it's nurses. We take a national board test but then we're licensed in one state, and so, because every state wants their money, if I were to work one-on-one with people from every single state, I would have to go through every single state board of nursing and get licensed, and so that is why I do the group program and then I'll do calls. But I just have to be a little more careful just because of my license and the broken Western medical system. It's silly.

Speaker 2:

That's so crazy. So as long as it's a group setting, you're okay, but if it comes to one-on-one, then you'd have to be licensed in each state.

Speaker 1:

If I'm practicing as a nurse, then technically I would have to be like, yeah, licensed in the state that my client is in. So that is why I started the group, the group program, cause I'm like I can do this for everybody and yeah, yeah, that makes so much sense. It's really silly because you know a health coach with no nursing training, they can practice anywhere, they can do whatever they want, and because I have more training, I am more limited. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2:

It does not make any sense. That's crazy, but I mean I'm not surprised because so much of it doesn't make any sense, so that just goes kind of right along with it. That's, that's just nuts. So share a little bit. I'm fascinated to know. I have a good friend who has Hashimoto's and I know a little bit of kind of what she went through and have some of her symptoms. What did you experience and how did you ultimately discover that that's what you had? I mean, you were mentioning earlier that you went in and you had your thyroid checked. I guess that was obviously the first time that you knew you had an issue. But what were some of your symptoms? Just, I just like to share with the listeners, just in case anyone might be going through, some of the similar symptoms that you were experiencing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely I mean and most people who start looking for a diagnosis like they notice something is wrong. It takes them about four symptoms that you were experiencing. Yeah, absolutely I mean. And most people who start looking for a diagnosis like they notice something is wrong. It takes them about four years on average to get a diagnosis and in that time they see an average of four different specialists. So it is hard.

Speaker 1:

The main things that I was dealing with was fatigue. I had four little kids, I was homeschooling and working, so so you know, my thought was this is just normal or common. You know, what's common is not necessarily normal, how we're created. But I was like I'm just, I'm just busy. I'm a busy mom. Of course I'm tired. Of course I'm falling asleep while I'm reading to my boys. Of course I need a nap every single day in my 30s, obviously. Of course I need a nap every single day in my thirties, Obviously. No, that's not normal. But I was justifying it for myself.

Speaker 1:

But for me it was actually a skin issue. I was having a lot of itching and unexplained like hives and these patchy rashes, and I had no idea that that could be thyroid. It's not one of the more commonly talked about symptoms, but people do have skin issues and joint issues with thyroid problems, and so that's what I went in for. I was like I want some like allergy testing and help me figure this out. And she's like I think I think let's look at your thyroid.

Speaker 1:

Oh, not expect, not expecting that you know that line of questioning, Um, but people with hypothyroid they'll deal with like the fatigue, brain fog, weight gain, like their metabolism is slowing down, Depression is huge. If you have depression, it is the standard of care that you are supposed to get your thyroid checked. Um, standard of care that you are supposed to get your thyroid checked, because your thyroid controls the energy of every single cell. It like creates the little ignition key for every single cell in your body and so if your cells don't have enough energy, they're going to slow down and in the brain, slowing down that not enough energy is depression or brain fog. So those are some of the things that people notice. And then feeling cold all the time and losing their hair those are other things.

Speaker 2:

I would imagine too, when I, just when I'm hearing you share it, it also when you're not feeling well and you're tired a lot, and a lot of the time that I feel like can lend itself to some form of depression also, like what is going on with me Right, um, I just, I guess, I just think you know my, when I, whenever I get sick and I'm not a very good patient at all, and luckily it doesn't happen that often, but it's usually like a one or two day or and it's more than that I start to get so upset like what's going on and I want to feel good and I want to do my daily. You know, it's like. You know again, like I say, I'm not a good patient, can't imagine to be dealing with something like that over a long period of time. It would just completely take its toll.

Speaker 1:

Yes, absolutely. And for a lot of people it starts gradually, so you don't notice it right away, and then, once you do, you're like, oh my goodness, where am I? I lost myself, I'm not me anymore. And that is the revelation where people come searching for healing and come see me. I want to feel like myself again. I think that's the number one thing I hear from women. I just want to feel like myself again.

Speaker 2:

So share a little bit with our listeners. What is your podcast about? I mean, you're sharing information about Hashimoto's. Are you doing mostly solo episodes about your experience?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, my goal is that in every single episode, I will give my listener something simple and sustainable to do to better their own health, because if it's not simple, I mean, let's face it, we don't have time for complicated things and if it's not sustainable, then we just wasted our time implementing because we can't sustain it. So I always want to give my listeners things that are simple and sustainable. I want my listeners number one to know that they're in charge of their health and there are things that they can do, and so that is what I do with every episode. The episodes vary, like, sometimes I'll talk about labs or you know what is the thyroid. So just recently we're talking about gluten and GLP-1. That has been a really popular topic because people with hypothyroid and Hashimoto's they struggle with their weight, and so I think those are my highest downloaded episodes. When we're talking about GLP one and natural alternatives, um, people are looking for hope, and that's what I try to give in my podcast.

Speaker 2:

Well, and that's that's. It's so great that you're doing that, because you're absolutely right. I mean you just and I feel like especially for those are just that are so desperate. I mean you just feel for them and there is hope, and I'm sure there's moments where they feel like there isn't, but there is, and so that's wonderful that you do that.

Speaker 2:

I I'm curious and it might have to be a complete other episode talking about the GLP-1, but it's so interesting. It is such a hot topic, of course, and I actually have a call this afternoon with our health and wellness company. The topic is this the GLP-1 and how to counteract some of the effects with making sure you're getting enough protein and all of those things, and so it's amazing. I find it amazing and my background is health wellness for decades, and I still am like, wow, this has just caught fire. Like in a short amount of time it's just exploded. So it'll be interesting to see I'm sure there's definitely some natural versions but to see down the road what kind of impact this has on our health. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I'm a little concerned. I mean, again, I don't want to bash people that are doing it or using it. I know there's definitely the right time and the right place. I just I have a little bit of concern over over it, though, so I'm see time will tell.

Speaker 1:

Yep, well, and I think that a lot of people don't understand that their body can make GLP one and that we used to make it, and, as you know, there's a lot of things that can slow it down, and one of the things that slows it down is obesity. And so then you're caught in this like chicken and egg catch 22, like you want to increase it, but yet you have obesity, so it's harder. And so, like I mean, like I said and like you said, people want hope, they want solutions, and nobody is going on the medications thinking I want pancreatic failure and I want to lose a bunch of my muscle mass. They're hoping that they're going to be one of the ones that don't have the side effects. Unfortunately, there are so, so many side effects and so, yeah, like I said, it's really popular episodes. Yeah, because I do teach like natural ways to increase your GLP-1, your own production, not the medication.

Speaker 2:

Which is so great and so needed, and I will have to look that up so that I can share that with others as well, or we will have another episode and have you on talking about it.

Speaker 2:

That will be what we need to do. I automatically think about my dad and he no longer is living, but he would have been a candidate, I believe, for this because he had various metabolic syndrome issues. He had metabolic syndrome, but he had diabetes and he was overweight, and so in a case like that, the benefits I could see would potentially outweigh, hopefully, the side effects. But again, I mean, when you can do it in a more natural way, that's obviously the way to go, even though we want the quick fix we do. Yep, there, really truly isn't, but anyway. So just share when you're working with your group, because I would love for you to share a little bit for, especially for our listeners who might be dealing with Hashimoto's, for you to share a little bit for, especially for our listeners who might be dealing with Hachimoto's, and what does that look like when they work with you in your group setting? Is it like a weekly call or what is it that you, that you offer?

Speaker 1:

I have a mini course that they can do first, and that is figuring out your root causes. Because if you look online, you're going to feel like you have to do, you know, hundreds or thousands of dollars of testing to figure out your root causes. And I'm like here's a one hour mini course and a workbook and you're going to figure it out, like are you going to know all of the lab results? No, but are you going to be able to figure out the majority of your own things? Yes, so I, you know, empower people to understand their own health without spending thousands of dollars, and then, if they want to shortcut their time, so I just helped them figure out their root causes and now in my full program, I'll help them figure out how to address all of those root causes. And it is a self-paced program. If you, you know, go through it like exactly how I set it out, it would take about a month and I'll shortcut your time to making such huge progress in addressing your most common root causes.

Speaker 2:

Well, I love your approach. I really truly love that helping empower them to figure it out instead of spending thousands of dollars. And I just think that there isn't enough of us who feel that way where we can feel empowered to figure it out. And, like you said, it's not going to be maybe the lab work, but there are a lot of things that we can do on our own that can help kind of direct us Absolutely. That's wonderful. And a month, to me that's doable, like I feel, for someone who maybe is feeling discouraged and they don't have hope. Okay, a month, 30 days, we can do it for 30 days, I think it's when it's the three, six a year. Then you go oh my gosh, it has to be baby steps, right. It has to be small increments where we feel like we can actually do it and feel like confident and that we can complete it.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yep, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

That's wonderful. How can people reach out to you, Esther? What's the best way to find you for our listeners?

Speaker 1:

The best way. I mean, they're listening to a podcast right now, so the best way is just type in health with Hashimoto's in the podcast app you're listening to and I will be right there. I'm also healthwithhashimotoscom and that would probably be the second best way to find me, but you're already listening to a podcast, so type that into the search bar. I am on all of the podcast players.

Speaker 2:

That into a podcast. So type that into the search bar. I am on all of the podcast players. That's wonderful. Well, I will definitely include all of your contact information in the show notes and also link to your podcast, and I just I feel like we could probably really hone in on some different other topics along the lines of what you share and what you know, your profession, what you're sharing with others, and just because of your experience and education, I am always excited to speak with someone like yourself because, again, you have you have the education, you have that background and you have the experience, and I just feel like that is just the best of both rather than, like you're saying, someone who maybe has gotten certified and I know this is this used to be a big kind of thorn in my side when I was in college and back in the day, years ago, you know, I started teaching fitness classes and personal training, and this is we're talking like 40 years ago, so I don't want to let me date myself too much.

Speaker 2:

It would be back at those days. It would be oh, come in and take a written test. Oh, you're certified now to teach this exercise class, or you're certified to take this person through an exercise program. I'd be like, no, you know, and I actually did my master's thesis on the very topic and I used to just go God, I've put all this time and energy into my education, into learning, into helping where I can, like you know, work with people one-on-one and really help them. And and someone takes a test and they're certified. So I, in so many words, in my long winded way, I admire you for what you're doing and I appreciate you for what you're doing and applying everything that you've learned through the years and experience to be able to help others is a really great thing. So thank you for that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're welcome and thank you and I mean I don't want to disparage the people who are going through those programs but at the same time I mean it's not their fault that our entire system is broken and that are sure. But I totally get it. Yeah, like the people who who are looking for help don't always have a way to differentiate, the experience and the training behind somebody is shingle. They're hanging out.

Speaker 2:

Right, it's so true and you know, and again, it's changed so much now, so I wasn't trying to bash certification programs. Now it's completely different and there's the whole practical component. So it's changed so much now. So I wasn't trying to bash certification programs. Now it's completely different and there's the whole practical component, so it's completely evolved, which is a great thing.

Speaker 2:

But I still will hear certain people complain a little bit, like you know a person has just done this, or they lost weight and now they're a health coach, you know, and for them like hey, more power to them. And for them, like hey, more power to them. But I do understand that, you know, for those that have taken the time and the energy and the finances to get the education, that's a big deal.

Speaker 1:

We don't want to overlook that. It is Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

So, but thank you, Thank you for all that you're doing and I'm excited to share with with my listeners and to have you on again. I really would love to have you on again and, and you know, maybe get kind of focused in some of these different topics, like the GLP ones. I think that would be a wonderful, a wonderful episode. So we'll look into that for sure, Absolutely. What are some last minute words of advice or inspiration that you have for our listeners?

Speaker 1:

I think the biggest thing is to remember that you're valuable. You're valuable because of who you are, not because of any labels, not because of any diagnoses, not because of any symptoms. Those do not define you. You're valuable because of who you are and you always have the power to make decisions for your own health. It irritates me when people turn to their doctor and let their doctor rule their life. Their doctor does not know everything that's going on. Each person holds that power and your doctor can advise you the best that he or she can. It's great to have a good team supporting you and advising you, but every single person is valuable and every single person has autonomy to make the best decisions for themselves.

Speaker 2:

That's fantastic, yeah, being proactive and advocating for ourselves right, we are our best. No, we know what's best, even though we don't always really trust ourselves and our instincts and our faith, but we truly, truly do know, so that's wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you so much for taking time today. It's been great having you on and I'm excited to do this again.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, thank you, and thank you for letting me meet your audience. It's been such an honor.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and thank you everyone for listening in and, as always, take some time and do something for your own personal wellness on this day and have a beautiful, blessed rest of your week. Beautiful and blessed rest of your week. Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did, and if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review Words of wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening and if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to words of wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness, on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy and blessed week. Thank you you.