Words of Wellness with Shelly
Do you get confused by all of the information that is available regarding ways to improve your health and wellness? Do you often become frustrated or overwhelmed with decisions on how to be your healthiest? We all know and understand how important our health and wellness is to the vitality of our lives, however navigating the wealth of health and wellness information available can often feel overwhelming. Understanding the significance of our well-being in leading fulfilling lives is crucial, yet determining what steps to take that are essential for our health can often be confusing.
Welcome everyone to "Words of Wellness"! In this podcast, hosted by Shelly Jefferis, M.A., a seasoned health and wellness professional with over 35 years in the industry, all of your questions will be answered and clarity will be provided through personal stories, education, tips and inspiration. Throughout her profession, Shelly has always had the heart and desire to help others feel their best and live their best lives through her supportive and compassionate approach. Through engaging solo and guest episodes, several topics will be addressed, questions will be answered and clarity will be provided in an effort to lead you to a healthier, more energetic life. With a master’s degree in kinesiology, extensive experience as an educator, speaker, coach, and entrepreneur, Shelly brings a wealth of knowledge and a genuine passion for empowering others to feel their best. By featuring industry experts and relatable individuals, the podcast promises personal stories, practical advice, and inspiration. She is excited to come to you weekly sharing all she has experienced, learned and discovered through the years. Whether you're seeking to elevate your well-being, gain practical insights for personal health, or simply be inspired to live a high quality vibrant life, this is the podcast is for YOU! Be sure to tune in weekly and join us along our "Words of Wellness" journey and embark on a path toward a healthier and more fulfilling quality of life full of happiness, energy and joy!
Words of Wellness with Shelly
Empowering Health Journeys: Dr. Manessa Shaw's Transition to Holistic Medicine and Personalized Patient Care
Discover the transformative journey of Dr. Manessa Shaw, a trailblazer in the world of holistic medicine and the visionary founder of Rooted Integrative Medical Clinic. Dr. Shaw takes us through her evolution from a traditional healthcare setting to establishing a practice that emphasizes personalized and meaningful patient care. Learn how her passion for holistic wellness has allowed her to reconnect with the true essence of medicine, moving away from the constraints of corporate healthcare to focus on empowering patients with knowledge and active involvement in their own health journeys.
Shelly and Dr. Shaw discuss how lifestyle choices can powerfully impact overall health. They discuss the profound influence of diet, exercise, and sleep on chronic diseases, and why it's crucial to prioritize progress over perfection. Sharing personal stories of family health challenges, they emphasize that while we can't control everything, making informed and balanced choices can significantly enhance well-being. The conversation reassures listeners that a healthier lifestyle doesn't mean sacrificing the joy of living.
In our final segment, we delve into the necessity of integrating lifestyle factors and personalized care into medical practice. We discuss the importance of extended patient consultations to address individual needs, particularly in nutrition and lifestyle modifications. Dr. Shaw and Shelly highlight the gaps in conventional medical education, advocating for transparency and continuous learning to provide more effective patient care. They also offer insights into balancing professional life with parenting, drawing from personal experiences to illustrate the flexibility and challenges of managing both worlds. Listen in for an empowering discussion that champions patient advocacy, collaboration, and the pursuit of personalized health goals.
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It's you and your life and your body. Like what are your goals? Is your goal to you know, when I'm 80 years old, I want to be able to jog around with my grandkids at the park or, like you know, spend a whole day at Disneyland without having to take a seat for you know, a break or something? You know what are your goals. And then you know, maybe someone else is like well, I really want to be able to, you know, run a 5k without you know, and I just don't feel, like you know, whatever their health goals are. Like, what are your goals? Let's try to see how we can achieve those. And some of them may include you know, there's not just one, but a couple. Some of them may include like oh, I really don't want to be on so many medications later in life.
Speaker 2:Do you get confused by all of the information that bombards us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone, I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more to share tips, education and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journeys so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life, and that you will. We all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives, full of energy, happiness and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today.
Speaker 2:Hello everyone and welcome back to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries and I will be your host, and I want to just thank everyone for tuning in and it's just hard to believe that we are well over a year into the podcast and it's just been such a great experience and I hope you're all finding so much value each week and I'm really excited to share my guest today. She is all about holistic wellness, which is definitely right in my wheelhouse. I just love it, and she founded Rooted Integrative Medical Clinic is her clinic and what she's doing is really focusing more on personalized, meaningful and holistic wellness as she works with her patients. Her passion is to empower her patients with the knowledge and tools that they need to be able to make informed decisions about their own health and to be actively participating in their own wellness journey, so I just love this. Welcome Dr Manessa Shah to the show.
Speaker 1:Hi, thank you, so wonderful to have you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm so excited. I'm excited that we were able to make this work today and I'm excited to hear all about what you're doing, your practice and for our listeners out there. She has, I think, and she can tell and share a little bit better than I can, but two different practices, I think, and she has just recently opened up one close to my home, and so I'm excited about this. And tell us a little bit about what you're doing, vanessa.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, so I'm actually a DO, I'm a doctor of osteopathic medicine. So I am a fully trained physician. I know there's always other types of specialists in that holistic, functional medicine, integrative medicine world, but I actually studied four years of, you know, medical school and then did my residency in family medicine. So you know, whole seven years of school and training. I know it's long, it's long. But then after that I started working for just the general system. I started working in urgent care, family medicine and just kind of what most of us I think end up doing right out of training. You know we'll go hopefully get a position with a large corporation or something like that.
Speaker 1:As we know, corporations have sort of taken over healthcare. That's like a whole nother question. But after I did that, for a while I've been in practice after training for about eight years. Um, I kind of decided, you know I didn't really want to be the hamster on the wheel, like it just sort of felt like system sort of puts this on you and I think all different providers and physicians kind of can feel this too is you're sort of constrained by the system of you know you can only see certain amount of you know patients with a certain amount of time for them and you have to build this way and you have to code that way, and so it's like the focus no longer was as much it felt like on the patient and like giving them the highest quality care right, because sometimes that takes time, especially when things are very complicated and you just aren't really given a lot of that time or sometimes even the resources, right, because you're constrained by like, well, am I allowed to quote, unquote, order this or order that?
Speaker 1:So, after doing that for so long, I just decided, you know what, maybe it's better to do my own thing and like get that passion from medicine that I once had before, medicine that I once had before. It's like I went into the field to really kind of understand my patients, to really guide them and help them. You know as kind of sometimes we say on our side, like, as cheesy as that sounds, we do, you do, we do want to help people, and so, just being out of the system, I'm actually able to do that and really like hold hands with my patients, make personalized plans for them, really educate them on what's going on, and I just have plenty of time to do it because it, you know it's my office. I can kind of dictate how much time someone might need, so I'm just in the beginning.
Speaker 1:You're right, I just opened in Santa Clarita and I just decided to focus on one location. So I'm just in Santa Clarita right now Not too, not too far from you probably and I'm really excited. I'm actually putting the office together. I was doing that today and then super excited to welcome in some new patients and kind of get get get their health journey going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, and I just I love what you're sharing, vanessa. I really do, because I have had a few doctors on the podcast and who have the same passion and approach as what you're doing. And it's really interesting because one one gentleman actually he is based actually in Australia, which is crazy, but he said the same thing. He was talking about just the different time constraints and he actually had looked into and saw like the statistics on the average amount of time that doctors spend with their patients and it was on real like yeah, you wouldn't believe like any. I can't remember exactly the time and the locations, but it was just like literally one area. I can't remember what country it was, but it was almost as if you'd hardly I'd even any time to get to, to get the name of your patient and then their time was up.
Speaker 1:And so, and then.
Speaker 2:I have quite a few who are retired chiropractors, who've gone in and pursued, you know, their own again, their own business, and I just I love what you're doing and I feel like you know we can be hopeful that there really seems to be more and more medical professionals like yourself doing this and branching out on their own and being able to spend more time with patients and being able to provide the personalized service that they need, because I know everybody is so different and I hope definitely not a one size fits all definitely.
Speaker 2:Right yeah for sure, and so I love like when you're talking about your passion and getting back to that. So do you feel like I can feel you're excited to get like new patients in. So that's really great Getting that passion back. It feels like exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're sort of not like. I feel like and not every this doesn't apply to everyone, obviously, there's not like a blanket statement, but from a lot of the different physicians I've come, you know, in contact with either um I keep in touch with them from residency or I've worked with them at these different um healthcare systems, like over the years and a lot of them, I think, kind of feel the same as like sometimes, after a couple years or or however long, you know you're sort of drudging, like you're going to work and I'm like, oh, this is gonna be such a hard day, but now I feel like really excited to bring on a new patient, like I'm super pumped to get them in for their established care visit. You know it's like let's do this versus oh, okay, like how long is this day going to go? You know it is totally a different feel, like when you start to do something you're truly passionate about. I think we were all very passionate about, you know, going into medicine, whether it's primary care or different other. You know specialties or different fields, but after so many years of kind of having to be confined to that system and like not really being able to do what you think is right for the person. Sometimes it does take a toll and I know probably it's been in the media lately over the past couple years. It's like the burnout rates are really high for, um, health care workers and that's like part of the part of the reason for that too. And I think the study the other guest you were talking about was maybe from 2018 and it did reference that doctors on average will spend seven to ten minutes with the patient. So, yeah, that was the yeah, the average.
Speaker 1:I think I think some of that time, too is like you know you end up like you know everything's computerized, so you're typing and you know how much time are you really like spending looking at the person, understanding what they're telling you and then respond. You know it's so hard to do that for a medical issue in seven to 10 minutes. I don't know, it's pretty wild. And then the other thing I think, too, is that the traditional system doesn't really allow much, for sometimes there's a couple groups that do do this, but not many of the big systems is like have being able to practice things like like from a functional medicine approach, or from an functional medicine approach or from an integrative medicine approach, where it's a different approach than the traditional system, where, you know, we're trying to really understand the person as a whole and kind of understand where there may be issues in different stages of their life or in different parts of their life.
Speaker 1:Another really popular, I think, specialty now is lifestyle medicine. So that's where, like you know, different parts of a person's lifestyle can have major health impacts. And if we kind of focus on these different areas, not just necessarily medications all the time, then maybe we can reverse or fix some of the chronic diseases that are going on. And yes, sometimes we do need medications to help bridge us. Or, you know, some people just need to have medications on no matter what. But can we optimize everything outside of that too, you know, and like decrease medication use or, you know, limit it. Or for some folks, you know, even like reverse the disease and then they're off of all their medications. So that's kind of a little bit more inspiring, you know, even like reverse the disease and then they're off of all their medications. So that's kind of a little bit more inspiring, I think, to me than being in a system where people feel like they're just numbered.
Speaker 2:Well and I love that too, because I'm extremely inspired by that as well is to hopefully reduce or eliminate the medication all together in some cases, and I always like to stress that in no way, shape or form, are we saying that. You know, the medical field is all bad and medicine is not bad at all.
Speaker 2:You know the time and place for it right, there's such a time and place for it and it just. It's gone so much to one side that it's just. I think it's too like they get with. It's like like you said earlier, it's like a hamster wheel, like you just get a hamster wheel and you just, you have such a limited amount of time, so it's like, well, here, take this medicine.
Speaker 2:And you know, I've talked about it in the past too I, I was a I don't know, I don't want to say victim, but I experienced that where I was dealing with a health issue and I was prescribed um one medicine and then, counteract what that would create, I, they had to give me another form of medicine. You know, so it's just, and I saw that with my dad the last last few years of his life. He had so much medication he was taking, but again you take one and then it's going to cause these side effects, so you have those side effects, and it just goes on and on. And so side effects, so you have those side effects, and it just goes on and on. And so you know if we can minimize that as much as we can, but again, there's definitely a need.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly there's. There are situations where you know the your doctor or a doctor might say you know, I'm sorry at this time, you know you absolutely need this. Or there are some conditions where, like you know, we can't get around it. But even in those cases like, okay, let's, you know you have to be on this medication, let's maybe try to reduce it to like the minimum you know required amount by adjusting all of these other things that we have control over and seeing if you improve. Or, you know, even if you still have to be on that medication, gosh, your, your whole body just functions, you know, differently.
Speaker 1:I think it's so easy for us to forget that we're actually like a biologic.
Speaker 1:You know like we're.
Speaker 1:We have a lot of biology and pathophysiology happening in our bodies. There's so many different things happening at like a biochemistry level, you know so it's very easy to sort of. And even for us you know, after all that training, it's very easy for us to forget to like oh yeah, so all of these different things that are happening in our lives actually play so many roles inside our body that maybe if we optimize or improve some of these different things, it's slow, it's, you know, nothing like that is going to happen overnight, like some lifestyle changes, but maybe down the road we'll actually feel better, we might live longer, we might live on those medications and feel better, like we may have less side effects or, you know, maybe we can reduce the dosing and then, like we're saying some, in some cases we may be able to reverse disease or take you off medications, if, if that applies, and you made reference to some of the chronic diseases and knowing how many of those are are connected to what we're eating, whether or not we're exercising, what's our sleep like?
Speaker 2:like it's, it's just all these little steps that we can take and it's it's, a lot of times, easier said than done for some people.
Speaker 2:However, it's just so encouraging to know that you know it's it's a lot of it's in our control and a lot of it's not, but a lot of it is in our control of some things we can do to help reduce the risk, minimize the risk of having these different diseases later on in life.
Speaker 2:And that's always been a really big passion of mine, because both of my parents are no longer living and so that's always been a really strong drive for me to do what I can in my power, what's in my control, to be healthiest I can be for my children and my family, so they don't have to see me go through what I saw my parents go through, and I will always talk about that and always will say there's never a guarantee and you know we have to live our lives and enjoy our lives, but along the way are we making the best choices that we can, most of the time, for us to be as healthy as we can be right, and so that's yeah, that's the big motivation, and I think that I don't know if it's like a societal approach, but I feel like there's been through the years a lot of times individuals look at it as kind of like an all or nothing, like, oh, I don't want to do this, because then I can't.
Speaker 2:You know, I can't have this, or I can't eat that, or can't you know what I mean? Like I, I just like to really encourage people and go no, our lives are meant to be enjoyed, so you can still enjoy yourself. Then, like maybe 80% of the time, you're making healthy choices, whatever that looks like. So I just like to remind everyone yeah, you don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 1:I like the phrase that's like progress over perfection. I definitely use that for myself a lot because I think we're all, like a lot of us are type A personalities that we tend to be like okay, well, we didn't do it perfectly, so it, you know, was it was not done yet Like baby steps, baby steps, then we'll get there, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think that's like a great reminder. I think, too, like being able to being able to kind of focus on like other factors I'm using lifestyle, the word lifestyle factors a lot but other factors in our lives that may be affecting our health and how chronic disease develops or how bad it potentially could get. I think focusing on it takes. That's where, like, the time thing comes in right, because how much can you do if you have seven to 10 minutes, like we said, on average? With that study I don't know if it was from the AMA, but it showed you know how much real coaching can you do. A lot of the time you just get, oh, well, eat better and exercise, and they. You know how much real coaching can you do. A lot of the time you just get, oh, we'll eat better and exercise, and they. You know you're at the door and a lot you know.
Speaker 1:Even I, some of the physicians, don't really know what does eat better and exercise really mean, because we didn't get extensive nutrition training. Like you know, that sort of that sort of training says you have to sort of learn it on your own, which you know I have done that but you do need time. So it's like having 30 or 60 minute appointments with someone, which is what we try to, you know, do in my practice is like you have plenty of time to really guide someone and answer questions. If they have questions about what does that mean? Oh, I can't, I can't eat that anyways, that anyways, you know, or those types of things will come up.
Speaker 1:So, um, and then also the frequent check-ins too, like you're saying, well, um, you know how, you know it's not, it's not easy, it's very hard to do, it's, it's hard to kind of stay on the wagon, and I definitely know I've only quote unquote fallen off the wagon plenty of times with little ones, you know, coming along in life and all those things.
Speaker 1:And so you know, at least I'm hoping that I would be there for my patients to be able to have like more frequent check-ins. I'm not necessarily constrained by the system to say, oh, sorry, we, you know we have a follow-up in three months and that's just too bad. So, you know, I feel like that's kind of what people hear. And then you know, instead it's like, okay, I want to check in with you in a month to see how this one thing that we decided we were going to work on is going, you know. So that's really where it's a little bit of a different approach, I think, and you actually or me, you know, I actually have the time and the kind of resource to be able to to do that and like hold hands a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Which is, you know, it's again that, that holistic and that personal approach where you're getting to know your patients and being able to serve them the best way that you can, and I just love that, the fact that you talk about spending more time with them. And also, I wanted to go back for just a second and I'm so happy you mentioned about the nutrition and how there's not a lot of training that goes on in the medical. You know, in medicine, and that's something I've heard several times and I think it's really it's such a really important point because I think we we so often go to our doctors, be honest and transparent and say, look, I don't get much training, if at all, in this area of nutrition, or what have you right? Right, so it's like you're saying you have to really do the training on your own and learn on your own. But I think it also is it's nice to be able to go okay, you, you guys are human. You know you're not all knowing you're human and that you have amazing training in certain areas.
Speaker 2:But then maybe there's these other areas that don't you know they're, they don't play such a big role in your schooling, and I think that's just really important for people to know because a lot of times when especially and I can say with nutrition, because that's a lot of my focus sometimes doctors will either recommend something or not recommend it because they just don't know about it, right, rather than it will. Let me find out more and then I can let you know. You know, a lot of times it's just one way or the other. And, yeah, I think it's just an important point to to emphasize so that you know we are again advocating for ourselves and for our overall health. And what does that look like, right? And we trust in our doctors and we want to find those that we can trust and have faith in, um and be able to just know that. Um, it's I feel like we for many years, and I think maybe sometimes people do it still, but we put our doctors on other pedestals, kind of.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, like I feel like I probably am guilty of doing that years ago, of just being, you know what they say is what we do, is what we follow, and you know not that it's not the right thing, is what we follow and you know not that it's not the right thing? Again, it's not saying that all, but it's being able to kind of take a step back and go okay, does this, does it seem right for what I'm going through? Does this feel right in my, for my personal situation? And I just think, like what you're doing and approaching it from a, again, that personal standpoint where you can really truly treat the individual for what they are needing, and and then it just spills into the other areas of their lives and helps them to be their healthiest and helps them in their whole complete wellness journey.
Speaker 1:And I think everyone's goals are so different too. That's where I've been kind of like, I think, when someone comes in for an appointment with me, versus like, if they're going to where I used to be, you know where I used to work, like the questions I'm planning on asking are going to you know, when we're. We're pretty much open, but open soon, the questions I'm planning on asking are going to be more personal, like what are your health goals? Like, forget about my goal. You know I'm gonna have goals for you, of course, but like your, it's you and your life and your body.
Speaker 1:Like, what are your goals? Is your goal to, you know, when I'm 80 years old, I want to be able to jog around with my grandkids at the park or, like you know, spend a whole day at Disneyland without having to take a seat for you know, a break or something. You know what are your goals? And then you know maybe someone else is like, well, I really want to be able to, you know, run a 5k without you know, and I just don't feel like you know, whatever their health goals are like, what are your goals? Let's try to see how we can achieve those, and some of them may include, you know, there's not just one, but a couple.
Speaker 1:Some of them may include like oh, I really don't want to be on so many medications later in life. Or, you know, it may start to kind of spill into all of that as well. Or, you know, I've had this diagnosis for a long time. Maybe I'm thinking of something off the top of my head, but like diabetes, and I really would like to, you know, get that under control, and then I think that'll help me, you know, lose weight, or then be able to have more energy during the day or what you know, whatever it is. So the you know, the goals are going to be so different for everyone and how they see it it's not always like come in, oh, you have, you know, x, y and Z chronic condition. Let me help you with that and I'll fix you.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, no. And again it's like one thing leads to another and I have to apologize, my dog is barking in the background. I think, again it just spills into the other aspects of our lives. You know, it's like whatever we're doing to help us again feel our best and be our healthiest, and I just really love, love, love this. And so you are. Well, you're a mom, yes, and what are the ages of your, of your kids?
Speaker 1:again, the little ones yeah, my son is four, he, he's gonna be four soon, and then my daughter is about nine months. Wow, so they're little.
Speaker 2:You're doing all of this with a as a as a young mom, which is very impressive. How does how does that work? I guess it actually works out better now, probably because you can. You can make your own schedule right.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I think I agree. I think now that I'm on my own or like doing you know, able to do my own thing in a sense, exactly, I can kind of make my schedule and sort of tailor it to be able to. But, you know, fit in their time and their needs too.
Speaker 1:So, I know, as they get older, as you, as you know, I'm sure other moms have told me, as they get older, you're going to have, you know, you're going to find yourself needing to fit in, like games and recitals and all these different you know more, parent teacher conferences and all this stuff. So like, oh no, I'm going to have to block off all those different things, but I have the freedom to do that Exactly Versus before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a beautiful thing, I you know. We I just had an episode with with Dr Patty, who you'll get to meet very soon, and we talked about this same exact topic, about just how our schedules and working around our children's schedules, and it does, it gets. It can get a little tricky, but it works, and especially when you have your own business, it is so much better and I I just sometimes feel bad for the moms who don't have the flexibility. They don't, they're not able to have that flexible schedule, you know, and some just don't have that option. And there's definitely a lot of events that come up, you know, as they get older as they get older, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know you make it work and you'll figure that out along the way and a lot, of, a lot of great moments ahead for you, for sure. So this is so great, I'm hearing about what you're doing, Vanessa, and I'm hearing about your, your practice and the shift that you have made in your profession, and it's just going to benefit so many families and your practice is for families.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, since I'm family medicine trained exactly, I can see all ages. Right now we're accepting ages three and up.
Speaker 2:Okay, and for anyone listening who might be local to our area, I'm honored to say that Dr Manessa will be speaking at our upcoming Moms who Flourish event, which is happening on Saturday, february 8th, and I will put the link in the show notes for our upcoming event. But I'm so excited that you get to be a part of it. I'm just so thrilled. And what are some ways that people can reach out or find you if they want to come and see you or contact you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, I think the best is probably through the website. So the website is rootedmedicalcom and on there you can either schedule a free which is great meet and greet with me and I usually it says 15 minutes, but I usually end up taking a little longer with my patients or prospective members so you can schedule a meet and greet with me on there. Or you can obviously always send in like an email, our phone number emails on there so you can give us a call, send an email, schedule a meet and greet, whatever you like.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Well, I will certainly include all of your contact information in the show notes and I want to apologize one last time to our listeners for my dogs. If you heard them barking, I don't know what they were barking at, but once in a while that does happen and that's real life, right? So thank you so much for being here, vanessa, I so appreciate it. Anything you want to share last minute words of advice, inspiration.
Speaker 1:Uh, oh, thank you so much for having me. This is so much fun. And then, um, I'm super excited for the eighth, the February 8th event because, um, I'll be talking a little bit about chronic stress and then how that sort of can affect, you know, our bodies and sort of like the physiology of that and and how maybe we can mitigate it if we can, you know, so that I'm kind of pumped for. And then, yeah, nothing else. I just want everyone to kind of be inspired by, hopefully, what we talked about today and also I think you mentioned it briefly, but advocating for yourself. I think that's really important.
Speaker 1:If you feel like something seems off or you feel like you just have more questions, you have, you know you want to ask or want answers to. Don't be afraid to ask questions. We should be willing to answer them because it's your health and it's your body. So, you know, I think it's, I think it's important to sort of empower people Also, you know, who are not seeing me and maybe out there seeing other physicians. I think definitely ask questions, get curious, you know, come in and you know, with with your background stuff, that's totally fine. I feel like we don't hear that enough, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so great and that's I love that. That advice is to is to get curious and come with questions, because that's how we're going to learn and find out what we, what's the best thing for us right, what are the best choices, and that's how we learn and can get better, and I love that. Thank you so much for this. Thank you, Thank you again. Have enjoyed having you on and I cannot wait to have you speak and talking about chronic stress is such a huge, important topic and I'm really, really looking forward to having you share. So again, february 8th, everyone, and we will put the link in the show notes. I will put all of Dr Manessa's information and her website as well, and until then, I hope you go out and do something for your wellness on this day and have a beautiful, blessed rest of your week and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did, and if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review Words of Wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening and if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness, on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy and blessed week. Thank you you.