Words of Wellness with Shelly
Do you get confused by all of the information that is available regarding ways to improve your health and wellness? Do you often become frustrated or overwhelmed with decisions on how to be your healthiest? We all know and understand how important our health and wellness is to the vitality of our lives, however navigating the wealth of health and wellness information available can often feel overwhelming. Understanding the significance of our well-being in leading fulfilling lives is crucial, yet determining what steps to take that are essential for our health can often be confusing.
Welcome everyone to "Words of Wellness"! In this podcast, hosted by Shelly Jefferis, M.A., a seasoned health and wellness professional with over 35 years in the industry, all of your questions will be answered and clarity will be provided through personal stories, education, tips and inspiration. Throughout her profession, Shelly has always had the heart and desire to help others feel their best and live their best lives through her supportive and compassionate approach. Through engaging solo and guest episodes, several topics will be addressed, questions will be answered and clarity will be provided in an effort to lead you to a healthier, more energetic life. With a master’s degree in kinesiology, extensive experience as an educator, speaker, coach, and entrepreneur, Shelly brings a wealth of knowledge and a genuine passion for empowering others to feel their best. By featuring industry experts and relatable individuals, the podcast promises personal stories, practical advice, and inspiration. She is excited to come to you weekly sharing all she has experienced, learned and discovered through the years. Whether you're seeking to elevate your well-being, gain practical insights for personal health, or simply be inspired to live a high quality vibrant life, this is the podcast is for YOU! Be sure to tune in weekly and join us along our "Words of Wellness" journey and embark on a path toward a healthier and more fulfilling quality of life full of happiness, energy and joy!
Words of Wellness with Shelly
Empowering Women through Advocacy and Wellness: Lisa Malia's Inspiring Journey from Breast Cancer Survivor to Embodied Leadership Coach
Lisa's journey is nothing short of remarkable. As a breast cancer survivor, former midwife, and current advocate for women's health, Lisa offers a wealth of insights and experiences that are both inspiring and educational. Her transition from the tech industry to becoming an embodied leadership coach and founder of the nonprofit For the Love of Cups showcases her dedication to empowering women. Listen as Lisa shares how her background in supporting women through childbirth equipped her with invaluable skills that later guided her through her own health challenges.
Breast cancer screening is a topic that can't be emphasized enough, especially for women with dense breast tissue. Lisa opens up about her personal experience navigating the complexities of breast cancer diagnoses and the limitations of standard mammograms. Her decision to undergo a double mastectomy wasn't taken lightly; it was a thought-out choice influenced by her family history and the need for accurate future screenings. We also highlight the importance of recent healthcare regulations aimed at improving mammogram processes and empowering women with the knowledge they need for proactive health management.
Lisa's story is one of transformation and purpose. After her diagnosis, she found her true calling in advocating for women's wellness and empowerment. Moving away from the fast-paced tech industry, she now focuses on helping women lead authentic lives through coaching and community-building initiatives. By founding For the Love of Cups, Lisa provides vital resources and support for women navigating breast health awareness. Join us as we explore how you can connect with Lisa, embrace your own journey toward empowerment, and access invaluable resources available on her website.
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After I had that surgery the double mastectomy, the pathology for that came back later and my surgeon calls me a few days later Now I was very confident in my decision. I knew it was the right one for me. I wasn't expecting to get any validation or pats on the back or saying you did the right thing. I just knew in my gut for me this was the right thing and I was going to be able to sleep at night was the right thing and I was going to be able to sleep at night.
Speaker 2:Do you get confused by all of the information that bombard us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone, I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more to share tips, education and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journeys so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life, and that you will. We all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives, full of energy, happiness and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today.
Speaker 2:Hello everyone, and welcome back to Words of Wellness. I'm excited to introduce my guest today. I'm excited to introduce my guest today. She is a women's health and wellness leader and educator, a breast cancer survivor and a mama herself, and she is an embodied leadership coach. She is a nonprofit founder and a CEO and she just really likes to help connect people to their intuition and just really embody their purpose so that they can build a lasting legacy, to have a deep satisfaction and clarity and unapologetic joy, which I love. That, Lisa, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Shelly. It's so fun to be here. I'm really, really grateful that you invited me to join you today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm, I love what you are all about. I mean, I w, I just I think I was getting excited, so I was like stumbling on my words, but I just I love everything that you, you embody yourself and I'm excited to hear more about your story and just learn about what you're doing now in serving others and I know it goes back, goes back a few years. So have you always been involved in wellness?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say my first career and I wouldn't have even called it wellness back then, but it was as a midwife.
Speaker 1:So I've always been drawn to women and their innate abilities, their innate wisdom. You know, as a midwife, of course the center of attention is birth right and gestation and delivery and well-woman care, and it encompasses so much more than just childbirth. But what I learned from women during that time was just how much power we have within us when we use and tap into that energy. And you know, what I've learned since then, as a breast cancer survivor and advocate, is that that is that same power, that same energy that's available to us in really challenging times too. And just sort of using that wisdom and that knowledge and that's where that embodied leadership coach comes from is just really helping women tap into that power, no matter what you know. Just you don't have to be bearing a child or going through something really difficult. What happens when we know that that power within is something we can draw upon at will, and what can we do with it then? Love that.
Speaker 2:I love that. So how long ago were you a midwife?
Speaker 1:I love that. So how long ago were you a midwife? That was in. You know I'm 52 now, so that was a bit ago.
Speaker 2:You know that was back in the 1990s and early 2000s. I feel like just this is just off the top of my head right now, thinking that that might've almost prepared you for what you ended up experiencing with your health in some some way. Right, just that experience of being a midwife, working with, with other women and moms. Do you feel like there's a connection there? Did that prepare you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Great question, a hundred percent. I saw so many connections to that work and the way we hold each other and witness each other and guide and support each other. There was a lot there and you know, not just intuitively and intrinsically, but also when it came to navigating the healthcare system as a female, as somebody who you know wants to be able to get good information and be supported in well-informed decisions and how to go about getting the best care possible that fits what you need and want for your personal care. So learned a lot and saw just so many connections and both layers of work really hold and have this piece of helping women learn how to navigate that system. And that is where I ended up. Starting my nonprofit foundation from was as a place to just gather those resources and make them easily accessible to other people who might need to learn from the experience that I just had, and so that's how that started to come about.
Speaker 2:What is your nonprofit.
Speaker 1:So the name of the nonprofit is for the love of cups, and what we really focus our attention on is helping women navigate the their mammogram appointments.
Speaker 1:Breast density is a big issue in the United States, particularly because up until today actually at this recording there has not been a national mandate enacted that informs women of their density status. So we've made a huge, big step in that direction today, but what that means for women today is just one step right. But the advocacy and the education and informing women of what to do with that information is still very lacking and there's still a lot of gaps and points where women can fall through the cracks. And so you know we've developed, you know, the four crucial questions to ask at your mammogram appointment to help women navigate those questions and learn how to actually get their best screening method possible for them. Because that was something I faced and you know we almost missed my diagnosis and I just I know of too many women where that has happened and I'm not trying to instill fear in anybody, but I want people to be well informed and, like I said, stop as many people as we can from falling through those cracks.
Speaker 2:I love this and I, and again we're going to go back to kind of what led you to developing this nonprofit and your own personal experience.
Speaker 2:And it's interesting you talk about the density, because I, you know, I guess I need to give credit to, to the doctors that I've gone to through the years, because about I don't know how many years ago now maybe it's been about 10, but they told me I needed to start having an ultrasound alongside the mammogram and of course I was like, do I really, you know? But then you always know, okay, it's necessary, it's just going to be a little bit more detailed and give more information. That's needed. And I wonder and you'll be able to speak more on this than I can, but I wonder how much maybe you've seen this, that that's that part's overlooked. Perhaps maybe that that second step isn't done enough to really look a little bit deeper when necessary, when maybe the mammogram might not be enough. And so I'm just I'm excited to learn from you and have you share with our listeners and and maybe start back to what you experienced and you were saying before we started recording that you, your diagnosis was back in 2015. Is that when you said yeah?
Speaker 1:late 2014. And then started treatment 2015.
Speaker 2:Okay, and how did that go as far as you discovering that you you had breast cancer and then having to start the treatment? You're saying it was almost overlooked?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'll do my best to weave all these questions together. And you know, I had my mammogram again back in 2014, a standard mammogram, and this is the one. Prior to that, I want to say, back in 2011, 2012, I'd also had another mammogram and I was lucky. Somebody did tell me I had dense breast tissue. Now my mom has breast cancer In fact, she's had it twice and I felt like I was a pretty well informed woman with a lot of support and a lot of resources, right. So when they started talking to me about this and I started like listening, and back then there wasn't really a mandate and I think California it was one of the leading states. You know this was a state by state ruling where every state could decide whether or not they wanted to tell patients they had dense breast tissue. California did lead the way on that, and so that's why some people listening to this, especially in California, might think well, I've been getting that letter for a long time Now. This isn't new. What's new now is that it's a national mandate in every state. Now it's required to do this for every person getting a mammogram.
Speaker 1:But back to you know, when I was first told that there wasn't really any follow-up. I was told well, you know you probably don't have breast cancer because we can't see it. And you know, breast cancer on dense breast tissue is going to be the white snowball on a white background of snow. So it's really difficult to see and so that's what it looks like on a mammogram. But if you look at an ultrasound then it's switched right. The fatty tissue or the background tissue is going to be black and the cancer will be white, and so they can spot it much more easily and really tell you that you actually had a breast cancer screening that is accurate, because a mammogram really is not going to be able to tell you the whole picture. And so I, you know, kind of thought you know, what do I do with this information? Is it important? How important is it? And they said well, you can go get an ultrasound, your insurance won't cover it. It's going to be about $400. Probably, if you want to do both breasts, it might be more than that, and then to get the radiologist to read it, it might be more than that. And I just thought it didn't feel important and so I wasn't going to spend the money. I was a newly divorced mom. My daughter was starting soccer and so, you know, I was like I'm going to go enroll her in soccer with that $400. Right, I was like I'm going to go enroll her in soccer with that $400. Right. So fast forward.
Speaker 1:A few years later it starts to just ping in my intuition and in my gut this dense breast tissue, and you know I can't give it any better explanation than that. And I thought I feel like I need to go follow up on that. And so I went back and this time on my mammogram, they actually saw something suspicious because it was so close to the surface of my skin, because if it had been any deeper in my tissue they would not have seen at all. And so in many ways I was lucky that it was right on the surface of my skin. So the mammogram did pick up something. They couldn't even really see it because there was still so much dense tissue, and that's why then I was able to be recommended for an ultrasound. But what's interesting and also scary about this is that once they saw that one little area although it was a blessing that they sent me for the ultrasound for it it became the only focus of their attention was that one spot. So they biopsied it.
Speaker 1:It was breast cancer and then from there it was okay, do you want a lumpectomy? Do you want radiation? Do you want a mastectomy, do you want? You know all these things and I spent a lot of time thinking about it and talking to my mom and really trying to understand all the logistics of my diagnosis. And that compounded with the dense breast tissue, and I ultimately went against a lot of advisors and asked for a double mastectomy. I said, with this dense breast tissue, from what I know about it now, why just being able to screen it in the future, knowing that my mom had breast cancer in both breasts, you know, a few years apart, wanting to just have this, give myself the best chance possible of having this be done the first time around, right, minimize the possibility of this coming back again. And after I had that surgery, the double mastectomy, the pathology for that came back later and my surgeon calls me a few days later Now.
Speaker 1:I was very confident in my decision. I knew it was the right one for me. I wasn't expecting to get any validation or pats on the back or saying you did the right thing. I just knew in my gut for me this was the right thing and I was going to be able to sleep at night. But she called me and she said are you sitting down? I was like, I mean, I guess, like you know, I wasn't expecting any more, you know, bad news or big news. I thought, you know, the worst of this is behind me, and it was for the most part. But what she said was my other breast, my supposed healthy breast, the one that I elected to have removed, was loaded and that was her exact words loaded with breast cancer.
Speaker 1:Wow, and they never ever, ever saw any of it.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I get chills telling that story, but you can see what's kept me up at night since then, feeling like why don't we know this? How did we not know this? How did this get missed? Um, and how can we do better and how can we fill in those gaps better? Like you said, we get these letters in the mail, but then what? Um, so this mandate is. We get these letters in the mail, but then what? So this mandate is great.
Speaker 1:We get to know we have dense breast tissue, but there's still a huge gap in the what next. So maybe you know that you still need another screening and, much like me, you might think, well, I'm not going to pay out of pocket for that. And so it becomes a negotiation with your insurance company and your doctors and all the rest of it. So unfortunately, that's pieces and solved yet. But there, you know, we are working on it, and so we're many other people and and there's, you know, good consensus that that is. The next step is getting you know that insurance to cover it. But in the meantime, you know there's a lot to still advocate for and work towards.
Speaker 2:Wow, I guess. So I don't even know what to say to that story that's. I mean you would have been back in there, you know, having another surgery or whatever you would have gone through, I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would have changed my life dramatically. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I just I'm so grateful to you for sharing this and I'm just feeling so feeling like emotional myself, but just thankful that we connected, because this is, if we take nothing else from this, this is such an important emphasis on just being an advocate for yourself and then also following, like you said, it was your intuition and just following your gut. And we talk about that and how I mean I, you know, saying your your gut, your gut feelings, how important it is to listen, to be still and to listen to that, because had you not, who knows what would have happened. And in the other point, it's so easy to say, oh no, it's like you said, $400. There's other things I want to spend or should spend when we have young children or older children, right, that money on, and gosh, it is such a deterrent how, how many people like yourself decide I'm not going to have it done because of the cost. So I guess, like you're saying, because of the cost.
Speaker 2:So I guess, like you're saying, that's the next step is to get this, just to advocate for this to be included with insurance to some degree, right, so that it can just be a part of, just like a part of alongside the mammogram Cause. That's where we're at now. Right, it really needs to be, no matter what, whether you have dense breast tissue or not. It's sounding to me. This is what I'm taking. It needs to be routine, just needs to be routine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you're completely right. It should be in my dream scenario that if you go for your mammogram and they see that you have dense breast tissue, they say, okay, we're going to walk you to the next room down the hall and do your ultrasound. That woman doesn't have to get childcare for another day, she doesn't need another day off work, she doesn't need to make another copay, doesn't need to have to figure out how to put cast in her car one more time. I mean all the things that it takes to come back for another appointment, for another follow-up all of those things are barriers to care and can be really restrictive for a lot of people. And so you're exactly right.
Speaker 1:When this is standardized like this is the dream to come true, for that to happen, and in the meantime, our best defense is community care and each other and having these conversations and you know, talking to the people that you love and care about. You know what was your mammogram report? Did you do that follow-up? You know talking to the people that you love and care about. You know what was your mammogram report? Did you do that follow up? You know, do you need a babysitter? Let's carpool together. I mean, I know it sounds really basic but that honestly and truly can make the difference between saving a life and making sure somebody really gets that care that they deserve.
Speaker 2:Gosh, and it's, it's such a great point that you you make because especially young moms, right, I mean we, our children are older but especially young moms.
Speaker 2:When you're so caught up I mean I just think back to when our I mean we had three and they were all little and you get so caught up in your day-to-day schedule and routine and, like you say, it just becomes more work and you tend to put some of that off, that self-care, that healthcare off, because it is more of a hassle and nuisance and whatever it is. But we have to realize that no, we can't, we can't put any of that off, because you just never obviously know and it has to be the priority and that's something that I am. I'm growing a mom's community for that reason not, and I don't, I didn't really think about this whole topic, but it's more just helping moms put their self-care and their wellness and their health as a priority and being a, like you say, a community, a supportive community, to kind of just cheer each other on and guide each other on and help each other in whatever area. That looks like and this is a perfect example, like I didn't, my mind didn't even go to think about this like helping a mom who might need some medical care, even just maybe just a routine appointment, and she needs help watching her kids, whatever it is this day and age. I mean, that's why the community is is so critical.
Speaker 2:It really is, and I think we're coming back to that and that's what I want to come back to after being, you know, kind of getting away for from it for a time when we were all kind of shut inside, and I feel like we're doing better, that's getting better. I feel like there's groups and there's events happening and that's like what I was talking about. The in-person event that I'm having. It's just I'm like I want the in-person, I want to bring moms together and have that community and it's so important, and so I just commend you so much for what you're doing and do you feel like it's getting closer to being routine, being part of the routine visit?
Speaker 1:You know, it really varies is the thing. Some states are doing a good job with it and some centers are doing a good job with it, but most of that is just voluntary, right? Those places that are taking the extra steps are it's a voluntary thing. They're just doing it because they feel compelled to and that's the regulations that they've set for themselves, the regulations that they've set for themselves, and so, no, I don't think there's enough being done, honestly, and so I think we have a long way to go. I'm not hopeless about it. I think that we can absolutely do it. We understand what dense breast tissue is. We understand the risks that come with it. We know what it takes to screen for it. We have the ability this isn't like we need more research to do this this is stuff we already know and are capable of, and so there's really no good reason why we aren't offering this to every woman who needs it.
Speaker 2:And you started this nonprofit how long ago?
Speaker 1:You know I started it back in 2016. And you know there's some support groups within it. We do some different gatherings online, but primarily we focus on providing resources for women so that they can know how to advocate for themselves seeking a mammogram. We have a tool on our website. It's called four crucial questions to ask at your mammogram appointment, so it can really help you navigate the system. You know, talk to your care provider, ask the right questions, get the right follow-up and really understand all your risk factors.
Speaker 1:You know beyond the breast density and you know what your density actually is, because there's a scale of one to four. These new letters that come out are they will tell you you do or you do not have dense breast tissue, and so it doesn't tell you anything about where you fall on that scale of one to four. And another thing to note is that your density can change over the span of your lifetime, year to year. So just because you get one letter that says you do not have dense breast tissue after a mammogram, don't think you don't need to read that paragraph again on your next mammogram report. You always want to pay attention to if there's been a change in your density and, if so, what is that? And then what?
Speaker 2:That's such great advice. Such great advice Because I think, like you're saying, it's not spelling it out clearly necessarily in the letter and in the information that we get. So, so, so good. What? Going back a little bit, what was the? And this was, of course, 10 years ago now, but how was your journey when you had your mastectomy in the surgery and how was the recovery process for you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um, you know, I would like to say, you know, at the time I was again working and very um, I was like again a newly single mom, just working and grinding away to support my family. And when I forgot, first got diagnosed and decided to get the mastectomy, I thought, you know, I'll take off a Thursday. I'll be back to work Monday, tuesday at the latest. Home I'll take off a Thursday. I'll be back to work Monday, tuesday at the latest.
Speaker 1:And you know, I was in for a really big rude awakening, a big wake up call. I just thought I could just power through this whole thing. And you know, after my surgery, my doctor sat myself and you know my support team down and said do not let her go back to work for another year. Like she has to sit down and let her body heal. You know, it ended up being really good advice To me. At the time I thought she's nuts, I will. How am I going to pay the bills? Like that sounded like not even feasible, even if I wanted to. They're just. That sounded like just. I thought she's out to lunch. She has no idea what the real world is like. There's absolutely no way I can do that.
Speaker 1:And the universe had another lesson in mind for me and thank goodness I had a good support team and everything else that it takes. But my body needed that and I ended up getting you know just every side effect you can imagine from the medications that I was on allergic reactions to the every antibiotic, getting infections and not knowing how to treat them because I'm, you know, just like all the compounding things that could happen ended up happening and I ended up really needing a lot of time and space to heal, and every time I thought I was going to be good and get back at it. You know, then I would need another surgery or another revision and just start the whole thing all over again. And so I just learned that I need to heal right the first time. I need to allow myself to heal right the first time and not have to go through this again.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. A whole year, you now are obviously an advocate for this, and you also do some other. You work with women in the area of wellness and other areas. So what is what is it you're doing nowadays?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, in addition to the nonprofit, you know I I really, like I said at the beginning, saw the connection to this and you know I love the business that I have. You know I love the business that I have. You know I loved working in the nonprofit. I really loved getting to connect with other women going through breast cancer and learning how this changed and shaped their lives and connecting it back to my skills as a midwife and empowering women and knowing what an incredible impact we can have on the world around us and on the communities around us and inside my breast cancer support groups. I thought why doesn't the rest of the world know what's happening inside here? I'm like these are the most incredible women I have ever met, the things that they are getting through accomplishing and doing and facing.
Speaker 1:And you know, when we talk about purpose work and meaningful work, you know you get a really strong wake up call when you're going through something like that, like what your values are, what matters and finding your purpose, and whether you're facing life as a midwife or death.
Speaker 1:You know, supporting somebody with breast cancer, helping people fulfill and meet that life's purpose, that calling of their soul in this lifetime, felt really important to me, and so I started extending my work into outside of the breast cancer groups, working with women in professional settings, much like myself, who had learned the hard way you know working ourselves too hard to burn out work. You know finding out these lessons the hard way and really wanting to capture women before that, to tap into their purpose and their power and their passion and lead from that place, instead of this really structured, detrimental, toxic masculine ways that most of the things that we've been taught are the picture of success were so really kind of debunking some of that and reframing that and finding a way to exist that feels really true to you without you know the cost of your soul or your body.
Speaker 2:That's so good. What? So you've shifted, so did you ever go? Actually go back to the work you were doing prior to your diagnosis?
Speaker 1:I did not. I went straight into the nonprofit world and into my own coaching practice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what were you doing before I was working?
Speaker 1:in technology.
Speaker 1:I was the only woman in the room for a company doing, you know, identity management and it was it was definitely like Silicon Valley and all the things about technology and it just could not be more further from my purpose and calling. I was really good at it and it was a lot of fun. And it was fun to be sometimes the only woman in the room and just think that, like I was accomplishing all these really cool things with some big name companies, but ultimately it wasn't what I was meant to be doing. It certainly wasn't good for me in um in a way that was, uh, filling my soul but also just burning me out because of the environment that I was in was not um, it was not healthy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I was going to say one doesn't sound like it might've been fulfilling what, like you're saying what you were meant to do. And then two, probably a little bit of a burnout for you, and it's so interesting, it's like looking back, like you're saying, and seeing what led you to where you are today. And it's almost we can, I think, do that as we are older and with wisdom and you kind of connect the dots and see that that actually was a blessing probably in disguise that you didn't have to go back to that environment for work.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I learned a ton from it. I took the good you know and I learned a lot of how not to do business and I learned a lot about you know, about the inner workings of, you know, marketing teams and the VP suite and all the all of those things, and so I definitely got to take that with me. But, yeah, I'm glad I'm not there now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I bet, I bet. What does it look like? Do you do like one-on-one coaching now? Or what does it look like as far as your programs that you offer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for asking. I do one-on-one coaching. My favorite work is done in community, though, as you may have already guessed, as a midwife and as a support group space holder, I really think that that's when we do our best, reflecting and growing and developing in spaces together with women. So I do have a mastermind group that has recently opened up and it does have a one-on-one component with it, but really just calling in women that are doing meaningful work in the world. You know leaders, founders, healers that want to do their work in a more feminine and embodied way and connect their work to their values and their purpose.
Speaker 1:And that doesn't mean, you know, burn everything down and start over, but there's certainly an evolution that can happen. And the way I hold space is really just so you can sort of drop all the masks that you're wearing, drop all the hats that you're wearing at the door, drop your shoulders, come in, sit down, tell us what's really going on and you get some of that soul medicine, but also the strategy that goes behind it, so that what you're doing can match, you know what you desire most and have the outcomes and the experiences that you intend to have. And so it's a very intentional space, but also a really soft and beautiful place to do the inner work so you can show up your best self in the outer world.
Speaker 2:I love that so much. Well, that's some really important work that you're doing, that you've been led to do, so that's beautiful. Where can people find you, lisa?
Speaker 1:I am on pretty much every platform. Find me easily on Instagram, at love Lisa Malia. I am on LinkedIn. I am on Facebook, lisa Malia Norman, and my website for the love of cups is um dot org is where you can find some of the resources we talked about and what else. If you're interested in the mastermind, I can send the link for that too.
Speaker 2:Yes, I would love anything that you have for us. I will definitely add in the show notes, because this is, this is wonderful work that you're doing in all the different aspects that you are, you know, serving others, serving women, that you are serving others serving women and I absolutely am honored to have you on today and so grateful for what you have shared here, because this is invaluable and for the listeners, this episode whether it will be airing before or during October, I'm not certain yet, but the timing is just right, with October being cancer awareness month, and so this is just another very important message to get out to women and I just can't thank you enough because I I learned a lot here today. I really, really did and, like I said, I it's funny for me. I mean, I don't know if it's funny, but, like I said, this has been kind of my part of my routine.
Speaker 2:When, years ago, my doctor said you have really dense breast tissue, you need to start having an ultrasound, and I'm like all right, I didn't really want to, but I'm like okay, and not even thinking twice, you know, like not even thinking, I'm just doing what she's telling me to do and this is what I need to do and going okay. And I can't imagine like being like you were, where maybe they never. If I was in a situation where no one ever recommended or told me that I needed to have it done, would I have ever had it done by now? Probably not, cause I wouldn't have known, you know. So that's that's just so, so critical what you're sharing and so important to get that message out. So I'm just really grateful for you sharing today.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much, oh you're welcome and I am grateful for being here. You've got some really great questions and I'm I'm honored to be here and I'm really, really glad that you reached out.
Speaker 2:Thank you to be here and I'm really, really glad that you reached out. Thank you, yeah, you're so welcome and thank you for being here and any any last minute words of advice or inspiration you want to share with the listeners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I will always say to trust your intuition. You know you've really got to trust yourself. Even after I got the dense breast tissue diagnosis and I knew that I had breast cancer, still nobody was recommending a double mastectomy and you know a lot of people thought I was crazy for wanting that. And you've just really got to allow yourself to trust yourself. Do the things that are going to allow you to sleep at night and move forward from there you to sleep at night and move forward from there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so, so important. Thank you for that so much and for our listeners. You know, please reach out to Lisa. I mean, I have a friend right now who recently got diagnosed and it's something that we unfortunately hear more frequently than we should. But let's hope and pray, with your nonprofit as it continues to move forward, that it can help to prevent you know, help to diagnose earlier on and and prevent the diagnosis from happening as often as it does nowadays. So, thank you for that, thank you for all that you're doing and, again, be sure and reach out to Lisa for anyone out there who might be going through something similar, or perhaps you have a relative or a friend, a mom or sister going through breast cancer or getting the diagnosis. Please, you know, reach out to her and in all that she has to offer. And thank you everyone for listening and, as always, do something for yourself and your wellness on this day and have a beautiful, blessed rest of your week and we will see you next time on words of wellness.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did, and if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend, or rate and review Words of Wellness, so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening and if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness, on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy and blessed week. Thank you you.