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Tara De Leon's Journey through Diet Culture and Motherhood to Empowered Wellness

• Shelly Jefferis • Season 1 • Episode 43

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Can we really escape the clutches of diet culture and find a healthier path to wellness? Join us on "Words of Wellness" as we welcome Tara De Leon, a trailblazing personal trainer and professor of health and fitness studies, who shares her inspiring journey from the pressures of diet culture to advocating a low-pressure, anti-diet approach. Tara’s transformative experience, sparked by an advanced sports fitness course, led her to a fulfilling career in personal training and a unique perspective on wellness. Throughout our conversation, we address the societal pressures and unrealistic expectations faced by women, especially post-childbirth, emphasizing the significance of self-care, empowerment, and setting realistic health goals.

Together, we dive into the shared challenges within the health and wellness industry, touching on personal experiences with infertility and the societal pressures on mothers. Tara and I discuss our motivations behind starting podcasts and writing books to spread positive messages around health and strength, challenging the conventional notion that health must conform to a specific look. We underscore the importance of community and support systems, particularly for new mothers navigating postnatal fitness. This experience ultimately led Tara to writing her book "Hot Mess to Hot Mom: Transformational Tools for Thriving After Childbirth and Beyond" which addresses so many questions that new moms have during the early years and beyond. Listen in as this episode is packed with heartfelt stories and insightful discussions, reinforcing the importance of honoring one's body, patience, and the incredible journey of helping others lead healthier lives.

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Speaker 1:

And it's just like the pressure that comes externally right Like diet, culture and society are like you have to bounce back and get your body back. You know and I'm like why my body like grew an entire human being. You know I'm not going to disrespect it by pretending like it never happened.

Speaker 2:

Do you get confused by all of the information that barges us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone, I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more to share tips, education and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journey so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life, and that you will. We all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives, full of energy, happiness and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Words of Wellness.

Speaker 2:

I am your host, shelly, and I am excited to have you all here today. I'm really thrilled to bring on my guest. She is a personal trainer. She is a professor of health, fitness and exercise studies, which is right up my alley. She also has a podcast. She is also a speaker and an author. She's helped hundreds of women just feel confident and just helps teach them how to lift weights, feel strong and get healthy and feel empowered and that's just amazing. She teaches women to just take care of themselves, take care of their bodies. She focuses on fitness, fertility, prenatal, postnatal fitness and she is just really passionate about health and fitness and striving to always help her clients improve their own health. And girl, you are just right A woman after my own heart. Welcome, tara. I'm so excited to have you on today. Thanks so much. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. I just feel like we could talk for hours, which obviously we will not.

Speaker 1:

I know we probably could we could.

Speaker 2:

So you know, as we were talking before we started recording, we both have a similar, very similar background and we both have master's degrees in in kinesiology, which ultimately is the study of human movement. I guess maybe share a little bit about how you got involved in the field and in the industry.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So my story is so interesting because it starts out from like a very diet culture heavy place and now in my career I'm very like anti diet culture. You know. I think that diet culture is kind of synonymous with pressure and I am very like low key, no pressure type person. But when I started I came from a very different place. So I grew up, you know, unfortunate looking. I was a fat kid that got picked on a lot and bullied by everyone. You know how it was in the 90s and 80s.

Speaker 1:

And then I got to college and I ended up in the wrong class. This was like before the internet was good, you know, it was just like you couldn't find your course catalog online at that time, right. So I found like a paper catalog and I found a class that was called sports fitness techniques and I thought, oh, this will be perfect, it'll help me like stave off the freshman 15, you know. And so I signed up for this class. Like sight unseen. I didn't pay any attention to the fact that it was like a 300 level class. I'm like my first semester of college, like that's appropriate for me, and my professor one day was like standing on top of his desk, like shouting about like the Krebs cycle and target training zone and adenosine triphosphate, and I was like what the heck is this?

Speaker 2:

Like I could not believe laughing, because I just so relate to all this. In fact this is part of the reason my husband started his master's and said I'm out of here and he stopped. So I love it. And just for our listeners, if you are not aware, that usually the college courses are different levels and like a 100 to 200 is like a beginning level and then 300 and 400 and 500. So when Tara's jumping into a 300 level class or first semester it's probably not where you want to be.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, totally wrong place, but he intrigued me. I was kind of like this dude is so excited about this stuff. Like I feel like maybe I need to know about this. And then he said the magic words of if you learn about target training zone, you'll never be fat again in your life. And I was like you learn about target training zone, you'll never be fat again in your life. And I was like, well, yes, I'm in.

Speaker 1:

It turns out that's not entirely true, right, there's like work you have to put in also with that. So he convinced me to stay in the class, even though I shouldn't have been there, and it actually like really piqued my interest. So I ended up switching my major from business to sports psychology and then a semester or two later, switching it to just sports right, exercise and sports science, because I found something that was so interesting to me and I was waiting tables at Outback Steakhouse and I had this really super good looking coworker who was a personal trainer and he was like you should be a personal trainer. And I was like, okay, and that's how I fell into this industry, which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 2:

But I think it's great because it was almost like you were led there for a reason. You know you went into that for a reason and that professor and his enthusiasm, I'm sure all of that was, you know it happened, you know, for for good reason.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and the interesting thing about this story that I'll tell you that I don't usually tell people cause nobody else gets it, but you probably will is the professor of that class was Dr Chuck Stiggins, who is the guy who started the CSCCA. Um, I don't even remember what that stands for, but like collegiate strength and conditioning association, something like that. Um, so he's like a big name iniate strength and conditioning association, something like that. So he's like a big name in the strength and conditioning world. And I sat there like not even knowing who he was. Now I'd be all like starstruck, but at the time I was just kind of like oh yeah, he's nice.

Speaker 2:

I love that. That's so awesome. That's a wonderful story. That's I, it's so fun. I mean you've gone on to do some big things. I, you know that's it's so fun. I mean, you've gone on to do some big things. I, you know. I think it's so fantastic. You have been personal training and you, you have a book. Right, you're an author.

Speaker 1:

Yes, it actually just came out in April. So the story of the book the book is called Hot Mess to Hot Mom Transformational Tools for Thriving After Childbirth and Beyond, and the way that this came about is I had my son four years ago, which was July of 2020. So a terrible time to have a baby in some ways. In other ways it was great, right, because we didn't have people dropping by to hold him all the time, but it was a year postpartum.

Speaker 1:

The morning of his first birthday, I was in the shower and you know I can hear this like newly minted toddler banging on the shower, the bathroom door, you know, trying to get in, and I'm like frantically trying to like shave my legs and wash my hair and and do all the things. Meanwhile I've got this checklist in my head of like we were having a party for him. So I was like, okay, oh my god, I gets COVID. Like is it too late to cancel? I shouldn't cancel. I already ordered food. I hope the caterer shows up. You know I'm doing the typical mom thing, right Of like carrying the mental load of everything. And I looked down and realized like I can't even remember the last time I shaved my legs, like the hair on my legs was long and I'm not judging right, I don't judge other people's choices, whatever but for me it was like holy smokes, girl, get your life together. Like, to me, not shaving my legs and my kid was a year old felt like appropriate choice to be making when I'm like in the newborn stage or newly postpartum. But after a year it felt like you should have your life back together by now, and I very much did not, and so my train of thought kind of switched from like what do I have to do for the party and for today and all the things to like what would it take for me to feel like I've got my life back together?

Speaker 1:

And I thought like I wish there was like a checklist of like hey, here's your workout. You're going to do this twice a week for like half an hour. That's all you got to do for now. You know, here's some easy like meal prep ideas so that you're not like eating takeout every night. Right, here's how to do like some financial stuff, like set up a college savings plan for your kid or create your like a state plan and will like I don't know how to do that Like I wish there was some like little cheat sheet thing that I could have that would just show me how to do all the things, everything from like how to sleep better, how to heal my pelvic floor.

Speaker 1:

Like I was still peeing my pants every time I sneezed. And he's a year old, you know like where did my libido go? My libido was gone. I used to like enjoy sexy time and now it's like oh God, this again. You know so like I needed to get my life back, to be in my life. You know I couldn't be like the birth giver and milk maker any longer. I also wanted to be Tara.

Speaker 2:

Oh my gosh, this is so classic and you know it's so funny, because I feel like you were like, just so like, on your case and he's, he really truly was only one Right. And so I'm sure moms, and you know, even the dads, dads can relate. But when the moms listen to this and go, oh heck, you know, my son is 10 and I still feel like this, or I'm, you know, I might get out of house and I still haven't figured out, you know, whatever because.

Speaker 2:

I feel like it is. It's just this ongoing.

Speaker 1:

It's an ongoing right but I feel like we never truly feel like we have it all together no, no, no, never right.

Speaker 2:

However, I love the fact that all these different points that we might question along the way are really valid, valid points. Like you know just everything that you're saying, I mean I, I I often find, when I reach out and I've done this because I'm I'm also building and creating a mom's group centered around complete wellness, and I find that, in that you know, interviewing moms or or taking polls, and then also clients of mine, other clients that want to know, like the recipe thing, like give me what are some healthy recipes? Like just simply give me something simple that I can make. And for me personally, I am not the person to ask, because I am blessed with a very good cook as a husband.

Speaker 2:

And he always say that if I was cooking he wouldn't be eating, probably. So he's like I'm going to do the cooking and it's like the ultimate life hack right there I know, it's been like years and I'm just like so spoiled and I love it.

Speaker 2:

I don't take it for granted, I love it, but we keep it really simple, like, even like, when it comes to meal planning. It's usually just like, you know, at five o'clock or five 30,. What do you feel like for dinner, I don't know? What do you feel like? You know it's never like this meal, um, but we also just do kind of some simple things, but to the point of what you're sharing is that alone is a big help for moms, because that's an, that's an area where it's like what should I make? Can I get tired of making the same thing, and what can I make that's healthy? And it's just there's always different areas that we just need little simple hacks and suggestions and ideas, and that's what you sounds like you've done in this book and I that's.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I actually didn't set out to like write a book, I just wanted to read this book. You know like, where is that? And I kind of like Googled some stuff and like books for new moms, and they're also very specialized in like how to care for your baby, but there was nothing about how to like feel like you again. You know like that was a very like. At least, I didn't find very many books on like how do I get myself back, you know. So I was like sharing this with my business coach and she asked me, like like what does your ideal work environment look like? And I said, well, alone on the beach, not surrounded by people. And she was like, so you got to write a book? And I was like, oh, I could never. And she was like you literally just outlined what the book should have in it, right there.

Speaker 1:

And I was like huh, so I did, and then, I wrote the book.

Speaker 2:

Good for you. No, that's fantastic. I'm excited to get my hands on it and read it and be able to share it with other moms, because that's definitely a needed tool. And it's like you said. You know, looking into it and researching other books and not really finding what you're wanting. I guess that's kind of what they say. Right, if there's something that you're looking for and it's not out there, then create it yourself, kind of thing. I mean, you hear that right? Yeah, that's basically what I did. Yeah, kudos to you. That's fantastic.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so you.

Speaker 2:

Much of your time is in addition to being a mom. You are, you have your own podcast, you do personal training. It just sounds like I think that we're kind of on a very similar track, because when you're involved in the health and wellness industry, you're definitely a. You know, I often like to think like it's just that passionate entrepreneur spirit where there's all these different things you want to do and help others, right.

Speaker 1:

It all comes down to like helping people, right. Like I just want to help more people and I know that, like I can only work with a certain number of people at the gym, but I feel like more people need the message that like you're doing good and that strength is going to be helpful for you in your life, and like health doesn't have to have a certain look, you know. So by doing the podcast and writing the book and stuff, I'm hoping that we can get that message out to more people.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and that's that's. That was exactly my motivation, and it still is is to just get the message out to more people. I mean, that's exactly what it is Impacting lives. Sharing the message, sharing stories, you know, wellness journeys A lot of the time is what I think really inspires others, because then people feel like, okay, I'm not the only one experiencing this or I'm not alone in this journey, and, you know, none of us are, even though when we're in the thick of something or our experiences, our own personal battles, it will feel that way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

When you start talking or listening to others, you realize that, oh my gosh, we're. We're going through the same things you know, maybe a little bit differently, but for the most part, very similar experiences for sure.

Speaker 1:

I felt like that when I started trying to get pregnant. So I found out I have polycystic ovaries when I was like 17. Right, so this was not a shock to me that it was difficult to get pregnant and it was lots of fun trying. But at a certain point it's like, okay, I'm like the only person on earth going through this. And then when I started sharing with my friends and coworkers and pretty much anybody I'm an open book. You know that I was going through like fertility treatments and stuff. It turns out like everybody's going through fertility treatments. I had so many people and friends that were like, oh yeah, me too. Like who do you see? And I'm like what, you're also going through the same struggle. So, or if you've been through the same struggle so it felt so vindicating to me to be like oh man, it's nice having, like you know, people share their process with me.

Speaker 2:

For sure you know, and that just makes me think of another point.

Speaker 2:

Your son is four, right, so I too went through some infertility treatment many years ago, so my children are much older, so it's definitely more of a known thing now.

Speaker 2:

It's talked about more often. And so that brings me to the question is it happening more, or are we just more open about it? You know, because I feel like I have my own kind of thoughts and beliefs on the topic as far as what has happened through the years when it comes to our own personal health and what's happening in the environment and things we're being exposed to and how it's affecting our fertility and affecting whether or not we have allergies, or you know all of the things that are happening. I am a strong believer that it has a lot to do with you know what we're being exposed to as far as the toxins and the chemicals and all of that. So I definitely have read a lot and seen a lot and how that's related a lot to the infertility journey. So I'm just I don't have the answers, but I'm wondering if it's. It's increased over the years, I would assume, but it's also talked about more often.

Speaker 1:

Yes, I joke about it all the time because of my entire friend group, all of us had to do fertility treatments except for two, you know. So you know there's something wrong. Yeah, about it all the time, because of my entire friend group, all of us had to do fertility treatments except for two, you know. So there's something wrong. And I always say, like what happened to us back in the eighties? You know like clearly something? Um, you know, but I don't have the answers for that either.

Speaker 1:

I know I do have clients at the gym that are like in their seventies and eighties and they don't have children and I've kind of wondered like why? And when I asked them about it they're just like, oh, we tried but we couldn't. And fertility treatments back then were like not good. You know, they're certainly not what they are now, so it just never worked out for them. And I'm curious, like, are the numbers comparable? And we're just more vocal about it? You know, I know my bestie felt super shameful about not being able to conceive, like that was a real, like. She still doesn't tell people that she's like had her babies through like IVF. She feels like this great source of guilt and shame about it and for me I don't feel that at all, like I also dye my hair and I wear contacts and I had braces and my ovaries don't work like right, it's like part of our package, right?

Speaker 2:

I mean it is what it is.

Speaker 1:

So, I feel like I'm super vocal about it because I don't want there to be, like that, source of shame for people like her Right Right.

Speaker 2:

And there really shouldn't. I mean I don't like to use the word should at all, but really I mean and that just goes, that just kind of goes along the line with with moms and helping them feel you know okay with their journey and give themselves grace because we all know something related to you know our fertility or pregnancies, or just being a mom in general.

Speaker 2:

I mean, we all have our things, and so having you know, a community where you can share those things and just know that you're not alone, is such a big deal for sure.

Speaker 1:

We're so good as moms that like shooting all over ourselves. Right, it really benefits nobody, right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it's not going to. It's not going to benefit us, and then it's definitely going to trickle down and not benefit our children or our family. So we want to like, switch that. You know, you know, flip that, Um. So do you spend the majority of your of your time?

Speaker 1:

your career is involved with the personal training, then yeah, so I'm at the gym most days of the week for like eight to 10 hours a day. Monday through Thursday. I'm there from like 7am till 5pm and I'm like double booking slots, even because I'm so busy, which I love, and my clients are so cool. You know everybody loves like when I throw a new person in their workout with them, they're just like oh fun. You know, like everybody's on board with it, which is so great, and it's just like this really fun community that I'm building for sure, you know. But I also speak at like different fitness conferences and I do some consultant work at other gyms, like how to be an in-person personal trainer successfully, and I do a little bit of coaching online, but I'm kind of new to that world.

Speaker 2:

Well, I love, I love what you're doing because it's clear that you would be fun to have as a trainer and keep it. You know fun and light and you know laughter, which is how it should be Right. Yeah, um, so that's really awesome. That's actually how I started and I I don't know if I should share how many years ago I started, when my fitness journey began and I started working in gyms. I mean, that was back in the day when we used records for our aerobic classes and we called them aerobics.

Speaker 2:

Is that crazy. That's awesome. Yeah, crazy to think back, but that's how I started. I mean, I started teaching, you know, fitness classes, and then got into the personal training, and then got into getting my degree and then knowing that, okay, I want to teach, do I want to go get my credential or do I want to get my master's in? And you know, fate would have it that I was able to interview and get a graduate assistantship, so I was able to teach. Oh, awesome.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and get my degree get paid. So that's kind of what led me down that journey. And then alongside I've always had businesses and been an entrepreneur kind of doing things, more kind of. I always say like kind of related to the age of my kids, you know, but it's a great, it's a great journey, isn't it? I mean, just there's nothing really to really beat, knowing that you're you're. You're impacting lives, you're impacting people's health.

Speaker 1:

You know you're just like helping people live better lives every day and it's so rewarding, yeah it really is and I love this because it's just such.

Speaker 2:

It just so you're so in alignment with with the message that I have for my podcast is just sharing wellness, sharing journey, sharing tips and just getting the message out to the world to help our world be a better place and just help you. You're happier, more energetic, right, and you're. You're doing that, so that's fantastic. You have a couple of big things. I mean you were voted what best personal trainer a couple of times and best fitness, so you okay. So, talking about prenatal, you'll appreciate this. I I owned a franchise here locally for a time called stroller strides oh fun, and we did exercises outdoors, we did the strollers and the tubing and it was such a great community All the moms, babies and working out and and I at the time also traveled and did some person training on pre postnatal fitness. So is that something you do now still?

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So I work with a lot of like pregnant moms or new moms in the gym, like just like a normal client. Sometimes I'm able to like funnel them into little groups if they're like a lot of pregnant women at the same time, which is really fun, because then you know like one by one they slowly drop off and have their babies Right and they're out for at least eight weeks before you know. I bring them back into the gym for lifting. Although they could lift earlier than that, like technically, they just like don't want to and I feel like personally I feel like that you only get that postpartum phase for like a really short time and like getting your fitness back shouldn't be the priority in that phase. So I'm like, take as long as you need. I exercised my entire pregnancy. Like I worked out on Thursday and then went Friday for my induction, um, and I thought for sure like oh, I'll just be back in like two weeks, and like my pelvic floor didn't feel right for like six months.

Speaker 1:

And and I just like gave myself the time, like, okay, I'm going to go walking but I'm not going to like lift, and I noticed, like at the gym, when I would hand my clients like a heavy kettlebell or something, I could feel like my pelvic floor not really loving that. So I just felt like, dude, I got to honor my body here and you know, just let it recover. It's been through some things, you know.

Speaker 2:

Oh my gosh, I want to take a moment just to like let that sink in, because that is such an important point. I mean just you saying honor your body. We, I feel like, don't do that enough. Like sit and listen to what is it our bodies need. And you're right when you go through pregnancy, my goodness gracious, your body's been through a lot. Give it time to heal and then it just enjoy the time of resting and taking naps with your baby.

Speaker 1:

Those are some of the best moments and it's just like the pressure that comes externally right Like diet, culture and society are like you have to bounce back and get your body back. You know and I'm like why my body like grew an entire human being. You know I'm not going to disrespect it by pretending like it never happened. You know Right.

Speaker 2:

So true. I remember a gal at the gym where I taught back when I was having our babies, and she she was an instructor also and she was teaching kickboxing and she was teaching it while she was pregnant. I remember looking at her going, oh my gosh, girl, she did it and her babies were healthy. So I'm like, hey, you go, that ain't. That ain't for me. I mean I towards the end, like you, I was in the step class at the. That ain't for me. I mean I towards the end, like you. I was in the step class at the very back of the room on that little short step but I was still moving. The day I had my daughter. So the same exact thing, but it's gotta be what feels right, and for me that felt good. But it also it was more of the being social and just keep doing your thing.

Speaker 1:

Yes, like having your community. Yeah, exactly that support system. I feel like when COVID hit, that was like the thing that we all missed but we didn't realize we were missing is like man, we go to the gym every day. Like I was still training clients, like outside in the parking lot at the gym because we weren't allowed to be open. So like I had a handful of clients that would come to the gym and be like I still want to work out and I would like bring a pair of dumbbells and some you know bands outside and people would come to the gym and just sit in the parking lot and socialize with their like friends and then they would leave like they didn't stop coming. They just stopped going inside.

Speaker 2:

That is such a great point because I feel like that's where we're. I know that. That's what I'm working towards with with having the. The event that I'm having in the fall for moms is that community, because we lost that for a short time and and I know I'm a huge proponent of that, as you are and you that just shows you and proves the need for it and how necessary it is for us as beings to be social. We're social beings and I just love that. I mean, they weren't even going to work out, they just wanted to come and socialize. Like how critical that is for just our overall health and our overall wellness, just feeling complete, not just that physical part, but just emotionally and mentally. Yeah, absolutely, that's so fun. I love. I love hearing that. So let me ask you this, because you're on the East coast and for our listeners, I mean, I'm on the West coast, so are you? Do you ever have plans of doing any kind of training, virtually or online?

Speaker 1:

any kind of training, virtually or online? Yes, for sure, I do a little bit of that. Now. I actually have a few clients that I train through, like Zoom and FaceTime, like all over the world, which is crazy. But I'm kind of working on doing like an asynchronous, like app type situation too.

Speaker 2:

That would be super exciting. I just wanted to share with our listeners because I'm sure they might be going well. What if I want to train with Tara and I don't live close by?

Speaker 1:

Yes, I got you.

Speaker 2:

So that's in the works. That's in the works. I love it. How can our listeners find you, tara? Where's the best place for them to reach out to you?

Speaker 1:

So most the place I'm most active is on Instagram, so my handle is like at Tara DeLeon fitness, um, which I'm sure you'll link in the show notes, um, or you know, Facebook too, I'm around.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I will definitely share your contact information and I will share your book. What is the title of your book?

Speaker 1:

again, it's called Hot Mess to Hot Mom Transformational Tools for Thriving After Childbirth and Beyond.

Speaker 2:

Fantastic, so I will definitely add that into the show notes as well. This has been just so fun chatting with you. I really, really appreciate you being on and I love what you're doing, and I'm I'm just excited about the connection with you and us you know likewise.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you're absolutely welcome. What would you say? I just want to be conscientious of your time and our listeners time, any last minute words of advice or inspiration you want to leave everyone with.

Speaker 1:

You know, there's a quote that I used in my book that I just love for moms, and it's to the world, you're just a mother, but to your family you're the world. And I feel like it's really easy to forget how important we are to our family because there's so many other demands on us, but I like to remind myself of that from time to time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's a good one. That's one you could almost have up on your bathroom mirror, right Totally. Just a reminder of that fact, because it's huge and it's so very true. Well, this has been really wonderful. Thank you again, tara. Thank you.

Speaker 1:

I've really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we'll have to do another episode in a few months, perhaps, after you maybe write your second book or you get that app going or something. Anytime, anytime, and thank you everyone for listening. As always, do something for yourself and your wellness on this day. Have a beautiful, blessed rest of your week and we will see you next time. On words of wellness.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did, and if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review words of wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening and if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes, please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to words of wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness, on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy and blessed week. Thank you you.