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Unlocking Wellness: Peter Greenlaw on Nutritional Deficiencies, Peer-Reviewed Breakthroughs, and the Hidden Dangers of Modern Diets

• Shelly Jefferis • Season 1 • Episode 35

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Can your nutrition and detox regimen help you lose weight without even lifting a finger? Join us on Words of Wellness as we are honored to welcome Peter Greenlaw, an illustrious "researcher of the researchers" and author with over twenty years of experience in the field of nutrition and wellness. Peter's expertise has shed light on alarming trends such as the significant decline in the nutritional value of our food and the unsettling presence of microplastics in everyday items. Drawing from his acclaimed books, "Why Diets Are Failing Us" and "The TDOS Syndrome," we unravel the interlinked epidemics of nutritional deficiencies, toxins, obesity, and stress, offering listeners crucial strategies to combat these modern health crises.

In this compelling episode, we uncover groundbreaking findings from recent peer-reviewed human trials that underline the importance of detoxification for weight loss. Contrary to conventional wisdom, these studies show that you can shed pounds without the need for exercise, avoiding the pitfalls of traditional diets that often lead to muscle loss and slowed metabolism. We also explore the latest on semaglutide and time-restricted eating, highlighting the challenges of regaining lost muscle and the dangers of oversimplified diet advice rampant on social media.

Peer-reviewed research is the cornerstone of credible health advice, a theme we emphasize through this discussion. We delve into the rigorous process of scientific validation, sharing insights from collaborations with some of the most respected figures in the industry. From the critical role of the immune system to innovative new dietary research, this episode aims to provide you with actionable steps towards a healthier lifestyle, backed by science. Tune in and empower yourself with the knowledge to prioritize your wellness and share these vital insights with those you care about.

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Speaker 1:

our food is becoming more and more nutritiously bankrupt. I mean there are studies saying that if you take an orange from 30 years ago today, you've got to eat between six and eight oranges, a dozen apples and one of my books I wrote about Cornell University's study on spinach. Iron levels from 1953 to today have decreased by 4,300%.

Speaker 2:

Do you get confused by all of the information that bombard us every day on ways to improve our overall health and our overall wellness? Do you often feel stuck, unmotivated or struggle to reach your wellness goals? Do you have questions as to what exercises you should be doing, what foods you should or should not be eating, how to improve your overall emotional and mental well-being? Hello everyone, I am so excited to welcome you to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly Jeffries and I will be your host. My goal is to answer these questions and so much more to share tips, education and inspiration around all of the components of wellness through solo and guest episodes. With 35 plus years as a health and wellness professional, a retired college professor, a speaker and a multi-passionate entrepreneur, I certainly have lots to share. However, my biggest goal and inspiration in doing this podcast is to share the wellness stories of others with you, to bring in guests who can share their journeys so that we can all learn together while making an impact on the health, the wellness and lives of all of you, our listeners. The ultimate hope is that you leave today with even just one nugget that can enhance the quality of your life, and that you will. We all will, now and into the future, live our best quality of lives, full of energy, happiness and joy. Now let's dive into our message for today. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelly and I will be your host today, and I am very excited to introduce you to our guest.

Speaker 2:

He has been called the researcher of the researcher for two decades. He shares much of what he has discovered through his research in his co-authored books, two of which I have I've read I use as resources. They are excellent. One is titled why Diets Are Failing Us. The other one is the TDOS Syndrome, tdos Solutions and your Third Brain, which I know he'll be sharing about this today with all of us.

Speaker 2:

He has conducted more than 1,500 lectures around the world. He was also a featured speaker at the Autism One Conference in May 2014 and 2015, and is a frequent speaker at the CEO Club of New York City. He was a pioneer making the world aware of toxins through his discovery of the TDoS syndrome and the role TDoS may play in causing us to have less energy, less sleep, more stress, and it is a major and can be a major reason why we are gaining weight. So he has also been featured on various programs. He's been in the media quite a lot and I just want to welcome you, peter Greenlaw, to the show today. I'm so, so, very honored to have you, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Well, thank you for having me. I'll try to not do anything to dissuade that wonderful introduction you just did for me.

Speaker 2:

Well, you've earned all of that and I've just. I'm so honored and you know, as we were talking a little while ago, I have two of your books and I go to them as a resource quite often through the years and I'm a strong support of what you do and the information that you're sharing. And I don't know if we'll get to all of your books today, but the topics are both. They're just so critical. They have been for many years, but I think even more so today, and especially when we talk about the TDoS syndrome. And so, for our listeners, what exactly does that stand for?

Speaker 1:

Well, it's an acronym for toxicity driven by nutritional deficiency, causing us to be overweight and stress, and those four um, every living breathing person in the world has those. There's no way around it. You can't be alive. And now you're right. When I started, I have to believe 21 years ago, there'd never even been a study done on a human being if we were storing chemicals in our bodies. And so, although I've done over 1500 lectures all over the world, I've been to China and in my lectures I always talked about toxins food was deficient, obesity and stress.

Speaker 1:

But and actually believe it or not I was writing a different, a completely different book, and I was sitting at my desk and I went wait a minute, is there an interconnectivity here? So then I called the medical doctor I ended up writing the book with and I told him what I said. I think I've discovered something he just called the US Patent Office. So anyway, over the process of a couple of years, I was able to get a registered trademark of the TDoS syndrome, which is a really big deal. It's way beyond a copyright. So they recognize it as a medical syndrome, although obviously now, with recent developments, I don't know if you saw that or not. But two weeks ago they came out and said that a cup of Starbucks coffee has between 50 and 80,000 microplastics in it and that a water bottle has about a hundred thousand microplastics in it. And then McGill University just last week in canada did a study on I don't drink tea, but apparently the imagine a pyramid shaped tea bag from silk. They estimate that in those, so that in that if you drink a cup of that tea you get 1 billion microplastics, or the equivalent of 1, 60th of a gram of plastics.

Speaker 1:

But you have to understand, when I started none of this, it wasn't even on the radar. So when I came up with this syndrome, of course people thought I was crazy, and they still think I'm crazy now. But I'm just a mad researcher and I would you know. It's true what you said in the beginning. I'm the researcher of the researchers. But as you probably know, shelley, I've had the great opportunity to work with some of the greatest medical doctors and oncologists, molecular biologists, geneticists, nutraceutical chemists and nutraceutical researchers in the whole world, and that's really what I bring to people. I say look, my job is to make you aware, my job is not to convince you.

Speaker 1:

And the thing is that it's becoming more and more apparent that these chemicals are really doing things to us. As a matter of fact, I want to read I don't believe you know about this, so there's another book out there. I didn't write it, but I look whenever it's about research. I'm happy to share it. It's called. It's called the New American Diet.

Speaker 1:

It was written by Stephen Perrin, who was the editor at large at Men's Health, and he was talking about these chemicals that I'd been talking about, not necessarily the Tito syndrome, but they have a name. These chemicals, whether they're herbicides, pesticides, scotch gar, teflon, they actually call them a name. They're called obesogens, as in obese, and here's what they say. Obesogens act in a variety of ways mimicking human hormones such as estrogen, blocking the action of other hormones, such as testosterone, and altering the function of our genes and essentially reprogram us to gain weight. There's your proof of what you were saying. Now we know it, so can imagine. We're evolving as a species. That's really what's going on and what the body's having to do.

Speaker 1:

Also, let me give you one other statistic that'll probably blow your mind. According to Dr Lustig, who's a major, major medical doctor at Stanford University in California, he now says that in the United States 45% of the adult population has non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and in 1975, there wasn't one case and this thing is out of control. I mean, 50% of America is pre-diabetic. We have 92% of the American population are metabolic and healthy with three of five factors overweight, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high cholesterol, high triglycerides 92%. I mean this thing. 80% of America is overweight, 50% are obese. I mean, does anybody honest to God think what we're doing is working by counting calories, which, by the way, is one of the most unhealthy things you could ever do to lose weight? If you want me, I'll expound on that later.

Speaker 1:

But the bottom line is this we have the body first gets presented with the chemicals to the liver in the biggest filter, okay, but the liver, in order to combat these things, they're enrobing the chemicals in fat cells. The liver shouldn't have any fat in it at all. So once it kind of gets to fatty liver disease, the liver just can't hold anymore. So then it sends these out into the bloodstream and the body reacting and the only way it can for survival is taking the chemical and stuffing inside our visceral fat. So you have two different kinds of fat on the body, the outer layer that's called adipose or or subcutaneous that's a fancy word for it and then the underlying fat. The really dangerous fat is the visceral fat around the organs. It's ironic that that's where the body's storing the chemicals, but it is so, it's, it's just so in I I don't even want word to use, but for a long time from when I started in basically 2002, until almost 2006, there'd never been a study done on a human being.

Speaker 1:

If we were storing chemicals Sounds hard to believe, but Mount Sinai Medical School in New York was the first one ever to do it and of course, I was delighted because I've been talking about it and people thought that I was like an alien from a different planet, and I was just. I was fortunately privileged to be working with the people that were beginning to look at this right, and one of the most famous people that I worked with is a lady by the name of Dr Doris Rapp. She's passed away, but she'd been on Oprah 25 different times and, as far as I can tell, she wrote the first book on toxins, called Our Toxic World, but it was dealing primarily with children and allergies. She had five medical degrees she was an obstetrician, allergist, internist, I mean brilliant brilliant and she'd done 25 shows on PBS.

Speaker 1:

And I got to go and spend a week with her when I first started, and she used to call me Sunny. She goes, sunny, you're really on the right track here, because what she had concentrated on was the massive increase in allergies in children and she blamed it on the pesticides that were spraying on the school grounds schools. Well, man, that really opened my eyes. And then then you know, I just really, I would say more than anything else, imagine a giant puzzle about the size of a gymnasium, okay, and so what I've done over the 21 years is just take the pieces and put them together. And also, you know, our fourth book, which is really our most famous one, is called your Third Brain.

Speaker 1:

That's not a trick title. Probably wouldn't have time to get into that today, but again, that was the same thing that research led me to, as it turned out to. You know, author that book, which was really really important, but as far it as a long answer to TIDOS. But now I think you understand what it is. But when I wrote the book there was not the awareness.

Speaker 2:

That's a good word and I think this is so incredibly critical, especially, like I was saying earlier, this day and age, and it's amazing how long it's taken for it to actually start to be out in the mainstream a little bit and to increase that awareness. And that's always been my goal and that's something that I say. I was just on a podcast yesterday and I was saying those exact words. The goal is to increase the awareness. It's not something that's going to change overnight, but if we can educate people and help them to become aware of what is going on and you share it so incredibly well, I mean it's just fascinating and those statistics are so alarming.

Speaker 2:

I just I have to go back to you talking about the liver disease, fatty liver disease. My dad actually, I think it's, I think it's ultimately what took his life and in his last few years of life he had the different issues that we're referring to. He had the diabetes, he had the high blood pressure, he had the non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and it just is so heartbreaking to know he's been gone now five years, but to hear this happening and becoming more and more prevalent and actually happening in children is so alarming, and so I think there's such a it's. It's almost like an emergency. I feel like I don't know if you feel that way, but it's almost like this is. I feel like I don't know if you feel that way, but it's almost like this is vital that this information gets out to everyone.

Speaker 1:

Well, actually, if you read my first book, why Diets Are Failing Us, I wrote what people consider this really famous line, and this was in 2010,. So you know, 14 years ago. At the end I wrote imagine in the future, legions of the sick marching on the hospitals when there won't be enough nurses, there won't be enough doctors, there won't be enough beds and there won't be enough drugs. In comes COVID. Now, obviously, I had no idea, you know, but I saw this thing as a catastrophe. It was kind of like I'm on the Titanic and that's an iceberg. That's an iceberg Turn left, turn left, and they just drove right into and so, but here's the good news, because this is not about scaring people to death, it's scaring them to life. So in I can't remember which of my books I wrote this line. In there I said and this is where I think we are now with the opportunity to really say okay, in scientific discovery, the very first thing you have to learn is you've got to understand the magnitude of a problem where you can't ever come up with a solution. Right, it's kind of like you need to have that. I mean, if you look at, you know pretty much any disease, whether it's polio or any of those things that they had to first isolate. You know what was causing it. Then they obviously came up with a vaccine. In that case, thank God. But what we're looking at now is we're in new territory. In other words, first thing that happened yeah, we're storing chemicals in our body, but it took them a long time to acknowledge. You know, these might be doing some pretty bad things to us. So I wrote this line and I said this.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes in history, something so significant happens that it changes the world, and I believe that moment is now, because the good news is we have seven new peer-reviewed human trial studies. As a matter of fact, I think you had the scientist on a number of weeks ago on your show and interviewed him. Now, why is this important? Because it is a detox, and what you have to understand is that all the other because I'm very big on social media now right, and so I have to be aware of all the other people, with all due respect, and I think they're doing, you know, what they believe in their hearts is the right thing, but they're giving people the wrong information that just the entire concept of like lowering calories to lose weight is one of the most unhealthy things you could ever do in your lifetime. Because what we're ignoring and this leads into the problem remember it's tdos, d stands for deficiency, right? So what I've never heard anybody talk about is when you lower calories, what else do you lower nutrition and your body doesn't run on calories? That was in my. I mean, I can't believe the why diets are failing us. I wrote it 14 years ago. It's it's almost as pertinent today as it was then, where I said the enemy's not calories, it's toxins. Well, now we know yeah, it's toxins. That's what's going on.

Speaker 1:

So what these studies revealed? With 80% women, 20% men, no one even allowed to exercise because they didn't want to exercise to be an outlier. And yet this is right in the study. So this isn't even a claim, I mean, it's right in the study. They literally lost as much weight in a month as 12 months of any diet. But unlike all the diets which now the evidence is clear that people are losing here, you're losing weight on any diet. You're going to fit in your gym, but 40% of your weight loss is lean muscle. And when you lose lean muscle, the body does two incredibly unhealthy things. First, it slows your metabolism down. Losing muscle, the body does two incredibly unhealthy things. First, it slows your metabolism down. Secondly, it impacts your immune system. What? Yeah, and here's what the experts say that for every pound of lean muscle you lose, even if you're exercising and eating healthy, it takes you 12 months to rebuild it.

Speaker 1:

Now, yeah, so there's a big, big study in New England Journal of Medicine came out, I don't know, a couple weeks ago 68 week study on semaglutide, one of the gop ones. Let me be clear. I'm not against the shots. If they want to do it, that's great. You know a lot of them are diabetics, it's going to help them. But again, as a researcher, okay, let's look into the what they publish. Well, first of all, in 68 weeks, people lost 34 pounds. Well, maybe some people think that's great. I'm not going to comment on that, that's like amateur hour. But right in the study, 40% of the weight loss was lean muscle mass. So do the math 34 pounds times 40%, it's 14 pounds of lean muscle. According to the experts, it would take them 14 years of being perfect to regain it. And are they regaining? They're coming off those shots. They're getting a half pound a week, but it's all fat, it's not muscle.

Speaker 2:

It's such a concern because this is whack-a-mole.

Speaker 1:

This is like whack-a-mole, it's crazy.

Speaker 2:

It's so crazy, and I this is the first I've heard about the timeframe it takes to gain it back. I was just listening to something today about this very, very topic. It was actually I think it was Dr Hyman talking about this very topic, about the fact that these drugs are affecting muscle tissue, muscle mass and causing people to lose muscle, and one of the comments someone says, oh, this isn't true, this is fear-mongering. And I had to say no, this isn't fear-mongering, this is education.

Speaker 1:

Go to the New England Journal of Medicine, the number one recognized journal in the world. So that comment I mean, if I was on social media, one of the things I get so upset and I really have to hold my powder because I know the answer. And what are they giving me? They're giving me, they're giving an opinion. There's someone right now talking about this time-restricted eating, where you don't eat for 16 hours and eat for eight Cold word for lowering calories, okay. And he's coming on. He's got almost a million followers and he's coming on telling people well, 100% of the loss is fat. Well, and yet the Journal of the American Medical Association, they did a three-month study on time-restricted eating. Whoa did they have success? Unbelievable. In three months the average weight loss was two to three and a half pounds. And the study said it was the most rigorous study of time-restricted eating ever done. And they said, right in the study, the majority of the weight loss was not fat, lean muscle.

Speaker 1:

So, it's like silly. It's like silly. You know, when I get, when I'm, I do. I do a lot on social media, live, you know, and they're coming on and I, I mean, and I just laugh and I say, no, wait a minute, I'm only reading from from peer-reviewed human trial studies. By the way, sir ma'am, you can't go any higher in medicine. And so here's the thing, for I've been a researcher, as you know, for 21 years, wrote the four best-selling books, 1500 lectures all over the world, 20 shows on pbs, but for 20 years you got to understand that didn't mean a damn thing, pardon my french. In the medical world, nothing, zero, until a year ago when these peer-reviewed studies got published.

Speaker 1:

I've got doctor after doctor after doctor now wanting to do this, and you know what one of them told me, a very prominent oncologist, as a matter of fact. She said to me you know, peter, the reason, and we've been friends for like 12 or 14 years. She's read all my books. We've gone out to dinner, we drank wine together with her and her husband, and she said you know why I wouldn't do it? I said why? She said because I'm dealing primarily with stage four cancer patients and I can't recommend something to them that's not peer reviewed, I'm not willing to take the liability risk. Okay, well, I sent her the studies a year ago. Today she's referred 80 of her patients to me.

Speaker 2:

Wow.

Speaker 1:

And without the peer review. And I don't blame. Now I understand, but what I'm saying is for 20 years I was ridiculed. For 20 years there's no science, who are you? What you know, et cetera. I mean well, who are you? I mean it's like right.

Speaker 2:

But now you can just go. Okay, here you go. This is what I've known for 20 plus years.

Speaker 1:

And we had belief, we had before and afters, we had stories, but we had no proof. And now when I look on social media and see, with all due respect, medical doctors, big researchers, chiropractors, dieticians, nutritionists, fat loss loss coaches I didn't even know there was such a thing. Uh, weight loss coaches and trainers basically telling people the only way you can lose weight is to lower calories. Both, both are dashed on. Total, total nonsense. Right, no, we have. We have so much evidence. Right, there's a report. Uh, do I have it here? Oh, I, I'd love to read it. Oh, wait till you hear this. Okay, so again, I always talk about never get you know what I tell people when I'm doing lives. I don't want you to believe me. I said I should have no credibility with you. The only thing that I concentrated is the medical studies and the proof from these big time people. Okay, so this is Harvard Medical School. Harvard Medical School.

Speaker 1:

The title is Stop Counting Calories. Listen to this. The idea of a calorie in and a calorie out when it comes to weight loss is not only antiquated, it's just wrong, says Fatima Stanford, an obesity specialist at Harvard Medical School. She goes on drop the calories notions, stanford. It's time to take a different approach, she says, putting the emphasis on improving the quality of the calorie, not the amount. Did someone write a book about that, like 14 years ago? Do you recall that book?

Speaker 2:

That's wild, you know. It's interesting because for years I was teaching. I still teach a little bit now, but I've been a college professor in kinesiology and for many years I would talk about just in basic terms and talk about the value of caloric intake. And when you have a handful of almonds or you have a candy bar, what's going to provide you with more nutritional value? They might have the same amount of caloric value there's no bearing. Zero bearing.

Speaker 1:

I mean, now the big people, they're finally weighing in on this. Yes, you know the criticism I got for years. Well, of course, you lose weight by lowering calories, really, really. But it's, it's look, I guess, what's really happening, I think. Finally, the alarm bells. I think we're at defcon. However, you can go at the highest threat level. I mean, my God, when you got nine or 10 people metabolic and healthy. Well, to tell you what the impact is, our national healthcare expenditure is 4.5 trillion with the T dollars. Well, listen to this. 1.25 trillion of it is metabolic syndrome. Three of those five factors. I mean that's insane, that's just crazy. And yet, in these peer-reviewed studies, what did they see? All five weight, weight, blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol, triglycerides all came down to 30 days. Inflammation came down 25% in 30 days. No one has ever seen anything like that. And yet, you know, I get all this resistance still because people are holding on for dear life to their beliefs, not even knowing about obesogens.

Speaker 2:

Isn't that fascinating that they want to hold on to what they believe for so long rather than looking at the evidence and the research that's right in front of them?

Speaker 1:

Because that's what they were taught.

Speaker 1:

That's what we all were taught, or that's what we thought. And I just say this to people. I say what if everything you think you know was wrong? Because it is? I mean you might get mad at and people get mad at me, you know. They're like oh, who are you? And it's the. You're just a snake oil salesman, really. New England journal of medicine, the Lancet, the biggest medical journal in the world, the journal of American medical association, it's really, it's laughable. So I just have to learn to, just if, if that's your opinion, and then I tell them why are you on this podcast with me? There's plenty of. I mean, you don't have to be here. If you're here just to torment people, then I wish you good luck, right, and I really, I really, I really believe that you know, and I would say, if anything about myself that I think has worked is, I always thought that there was a solution. I always did, and even though we had anecdotal evidence that's not considered a solution.

Speaker 1:

So I'm celebrating these peer-reviewed studies. It's like, okay, now we have and the word I use which is appropriate for a peer-reviewed human trial is irrefutable evidence. Because you know what most people don't even have an idea. What is a peer-reviewed human trial study. Well, the way it works you submit your study to a big journal, like something like the obesity journal, but you got. What they don't understand is they determine even if it's going to be published. They then send it out to other world cause experts who evaluate it for one purpose to prove that what you're saying is a lie. That's why no drug would ever get approved without a peer-reviewed study.

Speaker 1:

You hear the term clinical trial. That's a dress rehearsal. That's until you get to a peer-reviewed trial. So people don't. They don't even understand what that is. And here's what I say. If any of these lotions, potions, pills that I see on TV with the celebrities endorsing them, whether it's a sleep aid or whatever it is, if the stuff actually worked, you would then want to do a peer-reviewed human trial and they'll say oh, we did a clinical trial, there's scientific proof. The other thing they do is they hijack ingredients. They'll take an ingredient that's been studied and because that ingredient's in their product. But when I analyzed it, I remember this one I looked at it was. I can't remember what it was now, but I figured out that have a clinical dose, you'd need to take a thousand of their capsules a day. It's just wow, oh yeah, yeah, I mean that's what you have to understand that any of that stuff you're seeing on TV, none of it have peer reviewed human trial studies, because it would be exposed Right.

Speaker 2:

And it's so important for this to be made extremely clear, because I was just speaking to someone about this the other day, about the fact that you'll see, like you're saying, a study on one ingredient perhaps in a product versus the entire product. So when they you can see all these different ingredients studied. That is not the same as looking at the entire product and how it works as a whole. And again, it's getting, it's getting the information out and educating people, because you're so right. I find myself sharing about peer reviewed studies and then I realized Remember human, peer-reviewed human trials very important yes and in because you could do a peer-reviewed mouse study right not

Speaker 2:

the same thing not the same thing, and it's like you're saying we're. You know I'm sharing about this, but how many really, really truly understand how significant this is?

Speaker 1:

I spend a lot of my time really educating people about it. You know, and just you know. They'll say that, oh, I know what a no, you don't. You don't really understand what a peer-reviewed study is. See, they think you submit your work to like one of these publications and then they publish it. So they don't understand.

Speaker 1:

Like the one study that just came out this last week in Nature Communications, the number one journal in the world. It's so exclusive that out of 100 studies that are presented to them they consider seven Out of the seven they publish two. Wow, so when you get published in there, there's nothing higher. I mean the highest level. So the journals do make a difference. There's about 150 different journals. So I mean if you're reviewed in journal 150, it's not the same as being reviewed in nature communications. That's all I'm saying. Right, and the point is that and I'm not saying that they're not analyzing it, but it's again it's the credibility, because as you move up the scale in those journals, they're much more selective, much more, and the scrutiny is at the highest levels of investigation on the planet. And because I'm a researcher remember, I'm the researcher of the research I didn't do the research. I didn't do the research on the semaglutide, but I'm letting you know what the study said.

Speaker 2:

Right, and that's a little bit. I'm not, of course, at any near any level that you are, but I feel like that's something that I attempt to do is I'm sharing the research of what's been done, and I actually made a comment the other day when I was working on my master's degree. I knew I wasn't really very passionate about doing research, but I love reading the studies, so I want others to do that research and then we get to share the results, which is very good.

Speaker 1:

What happened to me is that the kind of people that I worked with, who are like one of my colleagues, has worked with two gentlemen who won the Nobel prize in medicine and he's so smart that I like have to. What did you do? What language are you speaking? You know smart. That, um, I I like have to. What did you? What language are you speaking? You know so, but they taught me. I mean, it's like I joke and I say you know, really I've got the most unbelievable job in the world because I work with like thomas edison, alexander, graham bell and einstein every day, because I can call him up when I and I never share with people, unless I understand it, because then it's just, it's hypocrisy, right? So that's why I love the fact now I can read from the peer-reviewed human trials.

Speaker 1:

I have them in my hand, I hold them up and I you know, and I think that I mean, I hope, okay, that we've had enough of a wake-up call now with COVID, realizing that good enough will never be good enough again. And the one thing we want to treat with absolute, you know, you know sort of almost oh my God, you know worship is our immune system, and that is again obviously TIDAW syndrome is one of the is one of the main things that attacks the immune system, and so I think that you can, I think you're going to see more and more and more people and now that we understand the problem, you know, hopefully they'll come up with more solutions. But I'm happy with, I believe that what has now been discovered will stand the test of time. I think a hundred years from now, we'll look back and say this was the. You know, it's like hey, there was only one polio vaccine. It worked. They're not changing the polio vaccine. You know, 60 years later, the same kind of thing here.

Speaker 1:

Thing here, because the approach is really the opposite of our food today, which our food today is. The D in TDoS is for deficiency, that the D represents the fact that our food is becoming more and more nutritiously bankrupt. I mean, there are studies saying that if you take an orange from 30 years ago today, you've got to eat between six and eight oranges, a dozen apples and one of my books I wrote about. Cornell University study on spinach. Iron levels from 1953 to today have decreased by 4,300%. So what did they have to do? In the studies? They had to go and locate food that had no relationship to calories and they went around. They went over the world. They went to New Zealand, they went to Russia, Mongolia, they went to and, and so this I mean the research. What they told me is that they'd never recommend any form of traditional diet ever again, because of the only because of the base, and they don't sell any products. They're researchers and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

So I feel I'm optimistic that there's great hope out there and I think you know people like yourself doing this. I think that's it's a wonderful, wonderful. You know strategy. Obviously, I'm really building my brand now. I hope to bring it to you know more and more and more people all the time, but the more of these that I have the time to do and you're right, my job is not to sell or convince anybody of anything. That's way too tiresome. Here's what I know. People are looking for us a lot harder than we're looking for them. So if we have to convince them, we've done something really wrong. But if we can, I feel it's like a trial Okay, and what I do is I present the evidence on standard diets from the studies and doing the Journal of Medicine, journal of I mean, big journals, right, and then I compare it to these.

Speaker 1:

So it's a level playing field. Here's the evidence for traditional diets. So we're looking at peer-reviewed human trial studies. Here's the evidence on this new detox which is gonna change everything peer-reviewed human trial. So here's the evidence on this new detox which is going to change everything peer-reviewed human trial. So it's a level playing field. It's not like one was a peer-reviewed human trial and the other was a clinical trial or a scientific paper. That doesn't count and let the people, based just on the evidence, decide. But I joke and I say well, here's your choice. You can take a year to lose weight. That's completely unhealthy, or you can take a month to lose that weight and it's healthy. You make the decision.

Speaker 2:

You make the choice and which Avenue is going to target the fat and the visceral fat that targeted right. Zero, zero yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. So I mean it's really, it's so. I think what you're doing is very, very important and very, very good and because, hopefully, people will see your podcast and they'll share it with other people, I mean that's what it's going to boil down to, I I think anyway and in some ways, covid was horrible for me because I'd done over my whole thing, was doing live presentations all over the world and January 20th 2020, that all stopped and thank goodness for zoom. For zoom, it's really because people really wanted to hear the information. You know, and, honestly, there's no substitute for a live, you know, but it's like you can listen to Andrew Bocelli on a cd and you can see him live and it's a whole, because I've seen him live. It's all different all different actually.

Speaker 1:

I can't believe it. In two weeks I'm going to see the Rolling Stones, I mean.

Speaker 2:

Oh, no kidding. Oh my gosh, that's so fun. You know, I tell my husband that all the time, because he says why can't I just plug a CD in? Well, we don't use CDs now. But listen, it's not the same. It's not the same as being in person.

Speaker 1:

But I mean, you know, I guess that I would say this, that I really think you're on the right path and I really think that it's really important that there are people like you, or more people like you, that are willing to do this. Because at least if we make people aware, okay, like on the Titanic, if I would have said to him this thing's sinking, there's a lifeboat, there's a life jacket, there's a blanket, and I would talk about it in my lectures and I'd say, despite that, there were still people that that do you know it? You know, in the titanic this is totally off the subject, but it's really not they only launched the lifeboats from one side. No one ever considered I did I considered this, wait a minute, the engines were still running, they could have backed the ship up, put ladders and people could have walked onto the iceberg and no one would have drowned. They didn't even think about it. So you know that's sort of kind of where we are now, right, right. So our job is awareness.

Speaker 1:

You know, I was doing a lecture one time in Oklahoma, believe it or not, and a tornado hit like within a mile of where I was speaking, you know. So I told the audience. I didn't know it at the time. I said would you have? I mean, if I knew that thing was coming, would you want me to tell you, or would we just sit here and take our chances? But that's kind of where we are as far as I'm concerned. You can go down this mantra of lowering calories. I'm going to eat whole foods, diet and exercise 10,000 steps, which I'm not against, but it's not effective. It's having almost no impact whatsoever.

Speaker 2:

Right, right, and I also agree with you 100%. We can do our job and share and educate and bring about awareness, but we're not in the job to convince people about the best way to go about it.

Speaker 1:

It's too tiring.

Speaker 2:

It is too tiring and I just I again I'm so, so grateful to have you on today, peter. Well, thank you so much. It really this is invaluable information and thank you for all you've done in 20 plus years and continue to do Because, like you're saying, I mean you've known this and now we have the evidence to prove it and to show it and to share it with others. And I'm just you know this gets me fired up. I'm excited to read your books again. You see, I have them.

Speaker 1:

I see it, I see it.

Speaker 2:

And I will be sharing these books and getting your other one, your most recent one. I'm excited to read that one as well, and I would love to have you on again to speak about your other book, because I know we didn't get that topic.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we can do that.

Speaker 2:

Let's plan that and any last. I mean everything you have said has been just absolute gold. I don't even know if we can even top it, but is there any last?

Speaker 1:

few. I say that and this is not a selfish plug. I have no financial interest in what you do or don't do, but I think, if people are really interested in this, that you have the ability to show them exactly what they did in these medical trials. And I always tell people I said look, here's what it boils down to.

Speaker 1:

In the medical trials they did four things. If you thought of a total food budget in a month, they took half the food budget and showed people what to buy at the grocery store. The other 50% were these five foods that come from all over the food to make up for the nutritional deficiency. But then they did two completely different ways of consuming the food one called protein pacing and the other one's intermittent actually nutritionally supported fasting, not fasting. And you know how to show them that, because the thing I don't want to do is I don't want to get people all depressed where they say, okay, how do I do this?

Speaker 1:

And I would say they can come to you and you can show them how to do it or not, just by making them aware of what they did. That that, I think, is the greatest gift we can give to anybody, because it doesn't do me any good to be saying iceberg, iceberg, and then we just drive the ship right into the iceberg, right, right, let's turn the wheel fast. So that would be my closing accommodation to everybody that is going to listen to this, et cetera. I hope they will read my books because they're real wake up calls. They're like you know. I mean, honestly, I haven't seen anybody else talking about this except for me, right, crazy.

Speaker 2:

Isn't that crazy. And I mean I like I say I share about it, but not even near the degree that you do. I don't remember how many years ago when I first read your book, but I I was like this is what needs to be shared, this is what is happening in the world and it has to. The word has to get out. So I just I thank you so much. I will put your books, I will put your information in the show notes, but what is the best way, peter, for people to reach out to you if they would like more information?

Speaker 1:

Well, I have a website. I own another trademark, a big one. I own this because I really believe in this, but my website is the New Health Conversation, because I sure as hell think we need one. So you know that. And if they want to buy my books, obviously they're on Amazon, you know, et cetera. And, yeah, I'd be happy to come on again and talk about our fourth book, which is that. And if they want to buy my books, obviously they're on amazon, you know, etc. And uh, yeah, I'd be happy to come on again and talk about our fourth book, which is, you know, probably our most act. Although tdos is a pretty big deal, I wasn't sure I could top that, but well, I think we did top it. But, uh, I want them to come to you so you can show them. You know what's what's possible. Again, not, it's way too tiring to have to sell or convince people. I'm way beyond that point now.

Speaker 2:

Okay, Right For sure, and the exciting thing is that we do have a solution, and it is a healthy, safe solution, and that's the exciting part. So there is a positive side right.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely. There's plenty of positive out of this, exactly, absolutely Well thank you Plenty of positive out of this Exactly, absolutely Well.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, peter, so very much, and thank you for those of you listening today. I hope you really take this information to heart, and it might take a couple of listens to really really get this into your heart and your mind and to hear the statistics and to share with those of you who have loved ones who maybe are struggling with their health, and even if you know someone who's not struggling with their health, this information is so, so critical to get out to the world. And so, thank you for all of our listeners and, as always, do something for yourself today, for your own personal wellness. Have a wonderful rest of your day and until next time, have a blessed week and I'll see you next episode of Words of Wellness. Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode.

Speaker 2:

I hope you gained value and enjoyed our time together as much as I did, and if you know someone who could benefit from today's episode, I would love and appreciate it if you could share with a friend or rate and review words of wellness so that more can hear this message. I love and appreciate you all. Thank you for listening and if you have any questions or topics you would like me to share in future episodes. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me through my contact information that is shared in the show notes below. Again, thank you for tuning in to Words of Wellness. My name is Shelley Jeffries and I encourage you to do something for you, for your wellness, on this day. Until next time, I hope you all have a healthy, happy and blessed week. Thank you. You.